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08-28-2014, 01:32 PM | #23 | |
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So you have: 8AT - eco, comfort, sport SAT - eco, comfort, sport, sport + BUT, in those modes the programming is not the same from 8AT to SAT. Both are adjustable, but the software is completely different in the Sport Auto than the standard 8AT. It's not just about adding in Sport +. For example, an x-line in "Sport" will not shift as fast nor as smooth as the Sport Auto in Sport Mode. Here's the verbiage from the bmwusa site on sport auto. The parts I put in bold are really what's different from the standard 8AT, since that too obviously has 8 gears..: 8-Speed Sport Automatic Transmission Provides extremely fast synchronized shifting. By increasing the number of gears to eight, the transmission provides a more efficient shifting sequence and improved fuel economy. Includes Adaptive Transmission Control (ATC) with Sport and Manual shift modes and steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters. When in Sport mode, shifts can be generated via the console-mounted shift lever or the paddle shifters. The close spacing of the gear ratios of the optional 8-speed sport automatic transmission enables maximum use of the optimum rev range, significantly lowering fuel consumption and enhancing shift comfort. Last edited by chrisny; 08-28-2014 at 01:47 PM.. |
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08-28-2014, 01:37 PM | #24 | |
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If you don't care about cosmetic stuff, why get X5 only, why not X3 or X6 !! Its just because you love the appearance & performance. Appearance does contribute some percentage of your likes and it differs from person to person. |
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08-28-2014, 01:45 PM | #25 | |
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As for sport auto shifts faster than regular auto when both in sport mode, I am not so sure about that as it's really speculative atm. It would tip me to get M sport instead however if true. That "enhances shift comfort" makes no performance difference in my book. When both auto in sport mode the difference is minimal and off the line the car is just as fast. |
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08-28-2014, 01:48 PM | #26 | |
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08-28-2014, 01:49 PM | #27 | |
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08-28-2014, 01:51 PM | #28 | |
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08-28-2014, 01:56 PM | #30 | |
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Look, at the end of the day, the 8AT is a phenomenal transmission. The Sport Auto is the same thing, with enhanced programming to be even better. I don't get why they separate them, the Sport is smoother not just quicker, so I don't get why that wouldn't just be standard (who doesn't like smoother shifts…). Last edited by chrisny; 08-28-2014 at 02:03 PM.. |
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08-28-2014, 02:29 PM | #33 |
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Agree to disagree I guess. I felt a big difference in how smooth it was on the 35i, and the x-line felt just a little sluggish in comparison. That could well have been because the shifts were not as smooth, could be just felt a tiny bit slower because the shifts were noticeably rougher. Not saying the 8AT is rough, but the sport is just that smooth. But as much as I felt like procrastinating, my time is up, not going to continue trying to convince someone who won't concede even the possibility of just a slight difference. I could argue that a slight difference in the speed is not always noticeable to all, that such a difference would be expected to be even less noticeable with the bigger, faster engine, but who would listen?
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08-28-2014, 03:05 PM | #34 | |
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http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...nsmission.html "Sporty ambitions? Experience maximum dynamics, efficiency and driving comfort with the optional 8-speed Sport automatic transmission: its short shift times improve acceleration and aid sporty driving. The gentle gradation of the eight gears reduces the engine's rev interval between shifts, so the transmission process is barely noticeable. At the same time, the engine is always held at the rev level at which it can optimally utilise its strength – increasing dynamics and efficiency and reducing the noise level. The eighth gear reduces the number of revolutions at high speeds, tangibly increasing comfort while reducing fuel consumption and emissions." Correct me if i'm wrong but don't you also get launch control with SAT?
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08-28-2014, 05:00 PM | #36 |
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Although as much as I liked the M Sport package, I went with xLine xDrive35i for economical and practical reasons:
-Less painted surfaces on fender, bumper cover, and side means less maintenance (less time and worry on washing, waxing, rock chips, scrapes, road rash, etc.) -Saved $4,000 + $5,600 (M Sport Package requires Premium Package in Canada) -19" All season tires, quite good for where I live all-season long, incl. winter -Cheaper to replace 19"s -Comfortable highway driving with regular suspension and 19" wheels -Kids terrorizing the interior, much prefer standard interior with sport steering wheel -Running boards for the kids, elderly -Added 3rd Row seat for the "in law" visits Last edited by originalgoods13; 09-02-2014 at 10:17 PM.. |
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08-29-2014, 07:36 AM | #37 | |
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08-29-2014, 02:46 PM | #38 | |
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08-29-2014, 07:19 PM | #39 |
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I am going to have to go with the a Luxury line. I like the painted fenders compared to the X-line, and I don't care for the big fake intakes on the M sport. I will be ordering the 35d, so have no need for paddle shifters or the sport auto on what is essentially a 5000+ lb family hauler. For those that make the argument about the M sport shifting faster, having the paddle shifters, etc I think it is a moot point because at the end of the day you would still get walked by any decent sport sedan, probably even by a 528i with the turbo 4. Plus how much faster will you get to 60 with the sport auto? 0.1s? It's not like it's adding 100hp to the mix. Anyhow, carry on.
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08-30-2014, 10:35 AM | #40 | |
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By the way, great points. |
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08-30-2014, 03:23 PM | #41 | |
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Honda what??? you gotta be joking buddy, if you want to brag about your souped up Honda Accord from 98 take it to M3/M4 forums. |
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08-30-2014, 11:40 PM | #42 |
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I am going to go with xLine but I actually plan to cancel running boards and get the matching chrome lower trim/(accent?) it actually makes the xLine look more rugged, like fake sliders on the sides compared to body colored (plasticy) ones on Luxury line.
Otherwise I like the fact that luxury line gets the wheel arches painted, but that's where the attractiveness ends. Also xLine looks great with jet black which is no cost paint vs all others (where are my reds and blues?) Question: When I switch between luxury and xline and base model, I see no difference to the steering wheel, what is all this sport steering wheel that I hear? |
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08-30-2014, 11:47 PM | #43 |
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That is the sport wheel. In 2015, that is now standard.
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08-30-2014, 11:59 PM | #44 |
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I see, what threw me off was that it wasn't listed in Luxury description on build site while it was for xLine. Now I realize why the 2014 F15 I test drove had a skinny wheel, I guess that was the stock wheel. Thanks.
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