04-26-2017, 01:48 AM | #309 | |
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I said it before; the focus has shifted to future mobility solutions, eco tech and in-car communications and entertainment. This simply not the investment priority right now and we should hope that the M guys somehow find an engineering sweeetspot that achieves the results we crave. |
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04-26-2017, 02:30 AM | #310 | |
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04-26-2017, 11:10 AM | #312 |
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I guess I will happily keep driving my SMG(1) equipped car
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04-26-2017, 11:22 AM | #313 | |
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Audi's is good and same for Lamborghini in the Huracan. BMWs DCT always seemed to have issues for me from the software to even hardware issues that took a while to get fixed in my e92 M3 competition. I do think their DCT is better than the zf 8 speed though. Last edited by Motorsportenterprise; 04-26-2017 at 11:38 AM.. |
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04-26-2017, 11:41 AM | #314 |
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Its my understanding that BMW took an existing Getrag gearbox (7DCI600) and adopted it for the E92 M3....probably in the same way that Ferrari took the exact same base box and adapted it for use in the California.
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04-26-2017, 12:47 PM | #316 |
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I am sure there will be adaptors made to run it with a manual transmission. Aftermarket stuff. Where there is a will there is a way.
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04-26-2017, 02:48 PM | #319 |
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I keep checking for the "BMW M sales exec says dual clutch, manual transmissions on their way out" has been fired headline.
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Two identical drivetrains, bought very close together, one perfect, the other a disaster. VW not able to fix, even after numerous software updates, new gearbox ECU, still flawed, new DSG gearbox fitted, little change. Function deteriorated very quickly. Nothing really changed the hesitation, or unpredicted behaviour of slow to move off, and/or lurch. Could be very dangerous if caught out. Vehicle replaced with another of same engine/gearbox combination, near perfect gearbox behaviour. The first 'perfect' example still with the family and at over 70k miles still working fine. What surprised me, nothing sorted the issue, seemed everything that could be involved was replaced. Clearly not, more to it than the gearbox side of the drivetrain. |
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04-27-2017, 07:36 AM | #322 |
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That's fine...just don't exclude them from the M cars. I can see why a stick shift isn't offered in a 7 series...but keep them available in the M cars
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04-27-2017, 07:51 AM | #323 | |
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He does mention the M3 and M4 too, but in my opinion the manual option will remain for the next generation G2x-based M3/M4 and G4x-based M2. |
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04-27-2017, 10:58 AM | #325 |
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My understanding is wet.
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04-27-2017, 11:55 AM | #326 |
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I think I read somewhere it's the same DCT that's in the E9x M3, just with different software. Does anybody know if this is correct?
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04-27-2017, 12:22 PM | #327 |
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Yes that transmission is shared between the M3, 135i, 335is, Z4 35i/35is, and European 335i models. Just the software is different based on the cars.
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04-27-2017, 07:45 PM | #328 |
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04-28-2017, 03:13 AM | #329 | |
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I believe there are some differences in the specs of the clutch packs between the models, but, this is the only 'mechanical' difference.
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04-28-2017, 04:35 PM | #330 |
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Very nice for BMW to level the playing field even more and more. As these cars get softer and softer each generation the one thing that has kept me with BMW has been the dct vs audi or merc auto. They start putting auto only in m cars, which I read they are doing in the new m5, there's a good chance I won't have a BMW in my garage for the first time in ten years!
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