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      01-18-2016, 11:44 PM   #1
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Thoughts on my possible new X5 order

Hey guys / gals,

So I am finally thinking about taking the jump and getting me a new X5 x35i. Here is my build:

Luxury Line
Dark Graphite Metallic
Ivory White Nappa Leather
Cold Weather Pkg
Driver Assistance Pkg
Driver Assistance Plus
Dynamic Handling Pkg
Lighting Pkg
20" 451 w/ perf run flats
Premium pkg
Dynamic Damper Ctrl + rear axle air suspension
Comfort Rear Seats
Multi-contour seats
Rear Manual side window shades
Smartphone Integration
HK sound

So here I am asking the experts for some advice. Do you see any gaping holes or things that I should be concerned with? Thanks in advance!

p.s. How bad are the perf run flats during the winter when their is no snow? I'm assuming they are good during most of the other seasons (to include heavy rain).

And I will continue to or forums!

Looking forward to seeing expert advice from you all!
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      01-19-2016, 11:04 PM   #2
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Hey guys / gals,

So I am finally thinking about taking the jump and getting me a new X5 x35i. Here is my build:

Luxury Line
Dark Graphite Metallic
Ivory White Nappa Leather
Cold Weather Pkg
Driver Assistance Pkg
Driver Assistance Plus
Dynamic Handling Pkg
Lighting Pkg
20" 451 w/ perf run flats
Premium pkg
Dynamic Damper Ctrl + rear axle air suspension
Comfort Rear Seats
Multi-contour seats
Rear Manual side window shades
Smartphone Integration
HK sound

So here I am asking the experts for some advice. Do you see any gaping holes or things that I should be concerned with? Thanks in advance!

p.s. How bad are the perf run flats during the winter when their is no snow? I'm assuming they are good during most of the other seasons (to include heavy rain).

And I will continue to or forums!

Looking forward to seeing expert advice from you all!
Nice build, where do you live? If you are regularly below 40 degreees (really closer to 30) for extended periods of time I would suggest changing the performance tires or getting a second set of rims.

Its not just about snow, when those tires are cold they are really bad in the dry as well. A few times before I put my M3 away for the winter it dropped below 40 and that car would break free on a whim. If it wasnt for the traction control it would always be spinning.

If you are normally in the 50's to upper 40's in the winter you will be ok, still not the best but doable.
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      01-20-2016, 05:34 AM   #3
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Do you plan to lease or buy/own for the long term (100K+ miles)?
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      01-20-2016, 02:45 PM   #4
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Nice build, where do you live? If you are regularly below 40 degreees (really closer to 30) for extended periods of time I would suggest changing the performance tires or getting a second set of rims.

Its not just about snow, when those tires are cold they are really bad in the dry as well. A few times before I put my M3 away for the winter it dropped below 40 and that car would break free on a whim. If it wasnt for the traction control it would always be spinning.

If you are normally in the 50's to upper 40's in the winter you will be ok, still not the best but doable.
Ditto on the tires based on my personal experience.
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      01-20-2016, 03:52 PM   #5
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45 degrees is generally the golden rule of summer tires, under that you will mostly die!

Pirelli has even denied warranty recently for cracking on their summer tires if used under that temperature. Otherwise they will be fine for rain and what not - also be prepared to replace them every 20-25k miles and they are a bit pricey!

Otherwise nice build - well equipped, ventilated seat might be my only add, but that depends on climate and if you like them!
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Do you plan to lease or buy/own for the long term (100K+ miles)?
More then likely I will be keeping it long term. Is their something I should be adding or not adding due to that?
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Order the mini spare and get rid of runflats as soon as practical.
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45 degrees is generally the golden rule of summer tires, under that you will mostly die!

Pirelli has even denied warranty recently for cracking on their summer tires if used under that temperature. Otherwise they will be fine for rain and what not - also be prepared to replace them every 20-25k miles and they are a bit pricey!

Otherwise nice build - well equipped, ventilated seat might be my only add, but that depends on climate and if you like them!
I heard that the ventilated seats were less then desirable. Have they improved? I heard they gently just recirculate the hot air in your car.
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Might suggest pondering the ivory interior. Was just at an auto show, and there was an X5 with the ivory. the discoloring from jeans etc was very apparent. Seen it before at other shows, similar result. We bought mocha, something different than black or the lighter tans. Also the grunt of the V8 is a lot of fun (not suggesting m)
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More then likely I will be keeping it long term. Is their something I should be adding or not adding due to that?
Allow me to preface this entire response as IMHO. I've owned BMWs for thirty years, and often kept them over 100K - old school maintenance (lookup Mike Miller).

Just took delivery of my custom order 2016 X5 xDrive35i and plan to own well over 100K (see post under new build sticky).

All of BMW's new driving technology is very sexy, wonderful engineering work, but also very expensive to repair/replace when it fails - which it has a high probability of doing so in the long term.

Contrary to advice and preferences of many of the other posts, I would not order:

Driver Assistance Package - just order the rear camera option. HUD is redundant with standard dashboard display readouts.

Driver Assistance Plus - if you commute in constant stop & go traffic, then maybe ACC Stop & Go for $1200 might be interesting. The rest - blind spot, surround view, speed limit info - are unnecessary if you set your mirrors properly, pay attention to the road, and know how to drive.

Dynamic Handling Pkg & Dynamic Damper Control etc. - if you plan to use the X5 for daily commuting and/or long distance interstate highway driving, then DHP/DDC will be of little benefit. Wanna push it hard through backroad twistys a lot? Then most def get it. This is very sophisticated tech combo of computer sensors, chips, and worm gears. I am very impressed by what the German engineers designed. But longer term be prepared to repair/replace at no small expense.

I've driven my F15 with stock suspension, and for suburban/highway driving I am quite pleased with its handling. (Too bad BMW didn't carryover the simpler and stiffer sport suspension option from its E53 model (which I loved driving)).

Lighting Pkg - way too much over engineered technology which will be quite expensive to fix - extra camera sensors, computer chips, etc. The standard Xenon Adaptive Headlights with dynamic auto-leveling are most excellent for night time driving - I had them in the E53. Plenty bright and the lights turn with you nicely on the bends.

You could put $4K+ back in your pocket (and save several thousand down the road in potential repairs). Take a nice vacation and still have an outstanding stock vehicle that will please you over the years.

If you prefer to lease the car, then check every damn box on the package/option pages!

BTW - I spoke with a dealer SA yesterday, and he said to be prepared to clean carbon build up in the engine intake ports about every 60K to 70K - if you want to keep the car long term. About 5+ hours labor. (See other posts on the subject).

Adopt Mike Miller's old school BMW maintenance program and change oil, ATF, coolant, brake, power steering, differential, and transfer case fluids as recommended - forget the "lifetime fluid" BS.

Good luck with your new X sir...Chef K
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      01-21-2016, 09:44 AM   #11
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LOL everything in today's cars are expensive to fix... probably the reason why leasing is so popular because all we need to do is unload it to the dealer before the warranty runs out and let the used car consumers deal with the headache . If you are going to live in fear of expensive fixes, then might as well look for cars from the 70's and 80's and do a restore or just buy a completely stripped X5 but you are still going to encounter expensive repairs regardless
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Yes but the question is how much tech is too much?

I would take a older BMW without the fancy electronic suspension ANY DAY over a newer one. It's just not my thing - if you like it, that is cool, order it up!

The OP said he wants to keep the vehicle long term....a lot of the electronic doo-dads break after time. They are just not designed to run 10 years/100k+. If there is little benefit to the features given his needs and driving style, then skeetjunkie has some great points.

Example: LED headlights. I have the LED headlights on my X6...yes they look great, but in terms of performance, they are marginally better (15% brighter?) than the Xenon counterparts.

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Yes but the question is how much tech is too much?

I would take a older BMW without the fancy electronic suspension ANY DAY over a newer one. It's just not my thing - if you like it, that is cool, order it up!

The OP said he wants to keep the vehicle long term....a lot of the electronic doo-dads break after time. They are just not designed to run 10 years/100k+. If there is little benefit to the features given his needs and driving style, then skeetjunkie has some great points.

Example: LED headlights. I have the LED headlights on my X6...yes they look great, but in terms of performance, they are marginally better (15% brighter?) than the Xenon counterparts.

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I agree with your arguments, if you have the dealer or a mechanic do all your fixes for you, it could be quite expensive down the road.

But if you do them yourselves, and with the internet filled with parts these days its not as bad.

I have kept every one of my BMW's way past 100k too, almost all of them fully loaded. Some of the easier cars to fix have been newer ones because computer parts that go bad just pop in and out, they are much easier to replace then some of the old cars I work on.

You can also delete some of those features in the future too like changing your system out to normal suspension down the road if you want to go cheaper in the future.

Your argument is sound, I think though not at a 100k any more, cars get to and past 100k without an issue these days. Its the 150k plus that starts to cause the problems.
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Good points by "skeetjunkie"-- but why buy a $60k+ car with limited packages. You might as well get a fully loaded QX60 and it will be cheaper to repair in the long run.
IMO-- if you planning to keep your suv forever, you might as well get a nicely loaded truck and enjoy the fabulous interior and cool features like surround view camera/lane departure etc. and DHP(which is freaking awesome). A base X5 is just garbage(that to do delivery work or just show your neighbors that u can own a BMW).
You have an awesome build-- Its an expensive build already, swap out the luxury line for Msport and Ivory for Mocha Nappa(beautiful)--Just my 2c.
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Everyone has different wants and needs... We are already driving around expensive and overpriced SUV's to begin with... Enjoy your BMW and be happy
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Thanks for all the info guys. Yeah it looks like I might go with the Msport. Still trying to ponder before I pull the trigger. Once I do i'll inform you on my build! Thanks again all this back and forth definitely helps! You guys / gals rock! Appreciate it!
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If you are getting an Msport I would recommend getting the Adaptive M suspension upgrade for $900. This suspension keeps all 4 corners of your X5 flat and prevents the "wobble" you will experience on your standard suspension.
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I like your original spec. Stick with DHP and don't let anyone spook you about "repair costs"; if you end up on steel springs, you'll curse that line thinking.

If you want a simple SUV, Mazda makes a good one.
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