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      08-13-2021, 04:01 AM   #67
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Ok. Found some things.
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      08-13-2021, 06:38 AM   #68
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Ok. Found some things.
Sorry about the camera pics.
Omg dude ..you are a bloody legend!!!!!!

So I can either wire 5&6 passenger pins straight to the drivers seat 5&6 pins or run them to the back R2 plug!!

I might try the drivers seat first as it’s way easier.

Mate you rock !!


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      08-13-2021, 03:27 PM   #69
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Hi mate
What all you need to know is :

1. Find a good guy who can code for you
2. Fine a can + and can - feed
3. Get the solder out
4. Use logic
5. Have patience
6. Go slowly and do your research[IMG][/IMG]
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      08-14-2021, 05:30 AM   #70
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Hi mate
What all you need to know is :

1. Find a good guy who can code for you
2. Fine a can + and can - feed
3. Get the solder out
4. Use logic
5. Have patience
6. Go slowly and do your research[IMG][/IMG]
Yep that’s exactly my plan, splice 5 & 6 drivers seat wires with 5 & 6 passenger wires, have already bought the can pins from bmw to plug into 5 & 6 passenger harness, should be good to go!!

I’ll up once I have done the job!!

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      08-18-2021, 07:58 AM   #71
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Yep that’s exactly my plan, splice 5 & 6 drivers seat wires with 5 & 6 passenger wires, have already bought the can pins from bmw to plug into 5 & 6 passenger harness, should be good to go!!

I’ll up once I have done the job!!

Cheers mate
Ok guys it’s actually a very straight forward job!!!

Don’t waste your money buying the bmw pins, I did but couldn’t get them to fit back into the plug as my wires and crimp job didn’t let me.

I just cut wires 5&6 from passenger seat harness and ran 2 wires directly to driver side wires 5&6, Seats are working perfectly!!!

Thank you every one for your help and advice.

It was a very simple and straight forward job!!

Cheers legends
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      09-03-2021, 02:57 PM   #72
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Thanks to the info above I've got the drivers seat moving, enough to bolt it down
Swapped from base cloth to memory, i only had to connect the can bus up.

I've temp done it with 7/02 wire ( 24awg/.22) but the spec is for 22awg/.35 does this really matter as its a shortish run, im assuming this is purely a data bus

Should canbus cables be twisted the same way as RS485 etc ?

I had even less cables in my connector than the ones above.. very basic spec
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      09-07-2021, 01:12 PM   #73
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Ok guys it’s actually a very straight forward job!!!

Don’t waste your money buying the bmw pins, I did but couldn’t get them to fit back into the plug as my wires and crimp job didn’t let me.

I just cut wires 5&6 from passenger seat harness and ran 2 wires directly to driver side wires 5&6, Seats are working perfectly!!!

Thank you every one for your help and advice.

It was a very simple and straight forward job!!

Cheers legends
I'm going to be doing this next week hopefully. I have Standard Electric Seats with Memory/Sensatec. I am going to be installing X5M seats.

So simple as running 5/6 from the Passenger to 5/6 on Driver?

Also, what would I need to do besides change the HVAC control with the proper ventilated seat buttons?
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      09-07-2021, 01:25 PM   #74
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If they already have the memory function 5/6 may already be there.
Mine had limited electric ( no memory and only back was electric, the rest was manual)
now its full electric with memory, the seats also have heating so I might look into the retrofit on that.
i ran the wires back to the boot connector as I was replacing the rear seats it was all opened up anyway.

I swapped the rear bench seats with comfort ones, that's not so easy and after struggling to get the bolts in for a couple of hours I realised the back seats lifted and tilted forwards...
Rear seats are also heated, and i need to look at that wiring as currently i don't have the seat belt warnings wired in
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If they already have the memory function 5/6 may already be there.
Mine had limited electric ( no memory and only back was electric, the rest was manual)
now its full electric with memory, the seats also have heating so I might look into the retrofit on that.
i ran the wires back to the boot connector as I was replacing the rear seats it was all opened up anyway.

I swapped the rear bench seats with comfort ones, that's not so easy and after struggling to get the bolts in for a couple of hours I realised the back seats lifted and tilted forwards...
Rear seats are also heated, and i need to look at that wiring as currently i don't have the seat belt warnings wired in
Thank you for the response. I should further explain instead of saying Standard Seat. Our US-Market X5s come with base or "standard" seats that have Memory and Fully Electric. I selfishly sometimes forget that not all markets get that.

So my car is non-leather sensatec material, fully electric, memory, heated. I'm thinking that I may be okay with just doing 5/6 to 5/6.
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So nothing works, no power or adjustment to any seat.

I wired my car's seat socket Pin 5 & 6 to driver's seat socket. I have full electric base seats and trying to install X5M seats.
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      07-30-2022, 08:36 AM   #77
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So out of frustration I pressed the driver side socket really hard into the plug and boom the driver seat started working. Incredible. Checked and there was a slightly loose pin in the socket causing false contact.

I checked my passenger side socket that was not equipped with memory and pin 5 and 6 were not there. I made the mistake of hooking into similar brown/yellow and red/yellow wires... they look identical. took my jump wiring out of the socket and directly to the seat socket where 5 and 6 would be and bang we are good to go.

I have a permanent Code of C95409 Message Missing (Seat Memory) Advanced Crash Safety Module Receiver Driver's Seat Module Transmitter. NEED HELP with this one. My guess is the car can't do its memory seat readjustment since the module doesn't have it programmed for my car. I can't use my old seat module because they are different. I will try coding: Sitzpositionsensor_Fahrer (Driver seat position sensor)
Sitzpositionsensorserkennung_Sitzmemory_Fahrer (Driver seat position sensor memory)

I also have 930B1F Seat - Position Sensor Passenger Line Open Circuit. I have a feeling its because I didn't use 22awg wiring, I will swap it out on Monday.
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      08-04-2022, 10:32 PM   #78
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You need to either code out the headrest active restraint for each seat, or we need to have access to the wiring diagram and run 2 wires per seat to the acsm module under the drive controller. If I remember correctly, the module is named A11 in newtis (when we had access to it).

I’m happy to help further if some can post the wiring diagrams.
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      01-21-2023, 07:52 AM   #79
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So I am shamelessly resurrecting an old thread since the people here have obviously done plenty of research and gained lots of understanding.

We recently bought (in Australia) a used 2015 F15 30D with "456 - Comfort Seats, Electric. Adjustable". The driver's seat back/forward was jammed since the plastic gearing inside the right rail had broken. BMW wanted $1,100 for a new rail, so I found a donor car from the same year also with 456 and bought the whole seat from a wrecker.

After a lot of work to expose the rear bolts (bearing in mind the seat was stuck at almost fully back hence the bolts were covered) I was able to swap the seats. All good - except the memory function on the driver's seat doesn't work. The car remembers the seat position for the two keys and moves it to the correct position for each key, but when I press the memory button, I see no glowing, and when I carry on as if it is just a faulty bulb within the button, it doesn't save the seat position. I tested it plenty i.e. moving the seat back and forward a few inches and trying to save to M>1 and M>2. What works in F30 does not work on the F15.
I then noticed that the module's buttons have "M 1 2" which differs from the "SET 1 2" on the original. I thought it must be a slightly different variant of panel so I swapped the original one back in... still no red memory light and no ability to save to spots 1 and 2.

So I can move the seat to my preferred position, and my wife can do the same, because the seat positions are stored in our profiles. That's fine until someone else borrows the car (and my key). They move the seat, then I have to try to return it to my preferred position because neither memory slot has anything saved. At the moment I have to choose the "Guest" profile before any changes are mode to the seat position.

Whilst I know the buttons all worked on the original seat (I could feel the seat trying to move when I pressed the front/back buttons, and other adjustments all worked), I didn't think to try the memory function on the original seat before swapping it out. So it's possible that function wasn't working before the swap.

I'm still using the original seat module under the seat. The full extent of the electrical changes was to unplug the plugs from the harness, and the seatbelt pretensioner. I used the original seatbelt fitting when swapping the seats, and got no warnings (except when I switched on the ignition whilst the seat harness was disconnected, got a restraint warning, and cleared it with ISTA).

Since my car and the donor car had 456 from the factory, I'm assuming all the wiring is in place, but electrics is my weakness and I'm not sure what I'm checking.

So - Question: Is this a recognised scenario, where all seat functions work (heating and movement), the car moves the seat based on the comfort access key used (presumably saved in the profile rather than the seat), but the memory button doesn't light up and the position can't be saved? If so, does the car need any coding, and what do I need to code? I can handle basic FDL coding but I'm not a fan of bumbling about in E-Sys changing stuff I don't understand. I'm assuming I don't need to VO code since both cars had 456 from the factory.

I considered swapping the seat modules under the driver and passenger seats but that's quite fiddly and I don't want to waste my time and risk breaking something if it's known that won't help diagnose it.

So if anyone can think why memory functions wouldn't work when the car had memory seats coded from the factory, and I have tried swapping the panel with the buttons but neither the original nor the replacement panel memory works, I'd appreciate your thoughts.

And apologies again for trawling up this old post.
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I'm going to be doing this next week hopefully. I have Standard Electric Seats with Memory/Sensatec. I am going to be installing X5M seats.

So simple as running 5/6 from the Passenger to 5/6 on Driver?

Also, what would I need to do besides change the HVAC control with the proper ventilated seat buttons?
I do realise this was 2 years ago, but after reading through this whole thread, I was left wondering what's the best way to run those cables if you run them on from the driver side to the passenger side? Is there a cable channel you can access without removing the whole flooring/carpet thingy?

Also if someone knows some further threads about this topic, please point those out as I would like to read as much as I can before attempting this. I have currently non-memory electric sensatec seats and going to replace them with comfort seats with memory. I have done some ESYS codings for my previous vehicles, but never messed with the wiring of the car this way.
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      06-21-2023, 10:54 AM   #81
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I do realise this was 2 years ago, but after reading through this whole thread, I was left wondering what's the best way to run those cables if you run them on from the driver side to the passenger side? Is there a cable channel you can access without removing the whole flooring/carpet thingy?

Also if someone knows some further threads about this topic, please point those out as I would like to read as much as I can before attempting this. I have currently non-memory electric sensatec seats and going to replace them with comfort seats with memory. I have done some ESYS codings for my previous vehicles, but never messed with the wiring of the car this way.
I'm in the middle of this right now. Going from standard electric seats, to comfort seats. In my scenario I need to run canbus to passenger seat, and active head restraint from both seats to the crash module.
Do you already have canbus on the drivers side? If so, then Honestly I think it's easier to run the canbus wires to the rear for the passenger side. There's a wiring tray running along the passenger floor all the way to rear. Just have to remove some plastic trim.
The hard part is running wires to the crash module for the active head restraint. You have to completely remove the center console.
Also, I'd go to salvage yard and get wiring connector pins. The pins are commonly used on most bmw throughout the car. I found pins from older 3 and 5 series that work. Just grab a seat harness off them. They are factory crimped and will easily pop right in.
As for coding, I might need help there. I have ista and esys, but I haven't used them in a while, and I can't read German!
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I'm in the middle of this right now. Going from standard electric seats, to comfort seats. In my scenario I need to run canbus to passenger seat, and active head restraint from both seats to the crash module.
Do you already have canbus on the drivers side? If so, then Honestly I think it's easier to run the canbus wires to the rear for the passenger side. There's a wiring tray running along the passenger floor all the way to rear. Just have to remove some plastic trim.
The hard part is running wires to the crash module for the active head restraint. You have to completely remove the center console.
Also, I'd go to salvage yard and get wiring connector pins. The pins are commonly used on most bmw throughout the car. I found pins from older 3 and 5 series that work. Just grab a seat harness off them. They are factory crimped and will easily pop right in.
As for coding, I might need help there. I have ista and esys, but I haven't used them in a while, and I can't read German!
Many thanks for your insights and the photo. I was kind of hoping / assuming there would be canbus on the drivers side but have not checked yet. I do have heated seats and partially electric adjustments, but no memory so perhaps there is no canbus there..

I was thinking of disabling the active head restraints in the coding. I feel especially wary of messing with the electric connections of the safety related modules.
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      06-26-2023, 11:44 AM   #83
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Got the seats in. Wired the active headrests to crash module.
Seats move but I get errors as expected.
Can anyone help with the coding? It's been a long time since I did coding...
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      08-02-2023, 11:34 AM   #84
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Can someone help me on how to find out the wiring pinouts at the seat connector for:
-standard "half-electric" seats with seat heating (I am told that due to having seat heating, there would already be CAN at the connector)
-full electric comfort seats with memory

I have spent a couple of hours looking at ISTA+ and while I have been able to find various connectors of the seat, the diagrams I find do not show which wire goes where so that I could compare the ones I have vs ones I am installing.

For some reason the connector at seat I find in these diagrams is called "X12*1B" instead of A236 mentioned above, dunno why that is.
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      08-02-2023, 02:38 PM   #85
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The standard seat doesn't have a seat module, and the power for the seat heating is ran separate. Seats with memory have a seat module, and use the seat module power for the heating.
The a246 is the connector at the seat module. You don't do any wiring there. You only do wiring at the x12 or x14 yellow main seat connector. That wiring goes to the seat module and from there all other electrical connectors join together.
Do you have drivers memory seat currently? Or standard electric on both seats? You'll most likely need to run canbus to each seat that didn't have memory. And you'll need to run 2 wires from each seat to the crash module for the active headrests. I can get you exact wiring if you need
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Thanks for your prompt reply stocktree, your help is much appreciated. The current seats are standard electric without memory. A BMW hobbyist told me that there would be CAN if there is seat heating but he might have been mistaken as he was speaking about it in general.

It would be really helpful if you know where to find the current wiring and the wiring needed for comfort seats so I could determine what I need to do before I start taking it apart, as it is my daily driver so I would find everything out beforehand and not find myself walking to places for days or weeks.
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Do you already have the comfort seats?
I attached a couple pics I had on my phone. One shows the module and the yellow main x12 connector. The hardest part was removing the center console to get to the crash module.
I can look up wiring later.
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Thanks, yes I bought the seats already over a month ago but have been too busy to start the swap yet. I was thinking of skipping the wiring to the crash module and just disabling the active head restraints instead of wiring them. I mean my current seats dont have them and I am not doing the swap to gain that functionality, rather just comfort.

I have yet to find a working copy of ESYS though. It's been like 7 years since I last did some coding with it so as soon as I find a working version I will practice with adding HO-wort "OMSA". For some reason I remember that by heart.
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