First Engine oil change

[Thaigrr]

Hello,
I own an X5 for a couple of months now and it's at 2000 miles. Should I go ahead and have an oil change done at the dealer?
Thank you.

[Kzang]

You can

A: Change the oil and remove the metal shavings from the engine
B: Change the oil and remove the protective additives that the car manufactures included in the original oil.

Choose your poison

[AHCPAX5]

Im on the same boat with my 2017 50i. Just hit 3,000 miles. Anybody ever thought of draining oil and filtering all shavings out then putting back oil if the additives from BMW are so special?

[Thawke]

I too have a '17 F16 but the 40d version and am planning on doing an oil change after 1000-2000 miles.

If you replace the oil with the same type (I think TwinPower Turbo LL-04 5W-30) then you remove the metal shavings and keep the protective additives that the car manufactures included in the original oil.

You get best of both worlds.

[turboawd]

There isn't a lot of metal shavings in today's engines. Bmw's valvetrain is all roller setup. No cams to break in. The only thing that needs breakin are the piston rings, but even that is minimal with the better manufacturing procedures nowadays.

[Kzang]

Originally Posted by turboawd

There isn't a lot of metal shavings in today's engines. Bmw's valvetrain is all roller setup. No cams to break in. The only thing that needs breakin are the piston rings, but even that is minimal with the better manufacturing procedures nowadays.

+1... just enjoy your BMW and drive it. Or just throw your money away and do the oil change to make you feel better.

[NOVA99]

Follow recommended procedures from the OM manual. No reason for pre-mature drainage unless dealer has advised.

[alphaod]

I did break in change at 1200 miles. Cleaned up a lot of the initial wear particles.

[AEC]

Silly question: Doesn't the oil filter take care of any shavings or particles in the oil?

[Kzang]

Originally Posted by AEC

Silly question: Doesn't the oil filter take care of any shavings or particles in the oil?

Yes, if there are metal shavings or any foreign particles. The oil filter's job does exactly that.

[alphaod]

Originally Posted by AEC

Silly question: Doesn't the oil filter take care of any shavings or particles in the oil?

Bigger particles of course, but there are still particles that may pass through the filter, I mean the oil passes through right? I'm pretty sure there are particles measured in ppm that can pass through as well, though probably not big enough to actually pose much risk to the engine.

It just makes me feel better and it only cost me some $75 for oil and filter, no minimal cost.

Anyways I do those Blackstone reports on my oil changes, there is some excess copper in the first change that didn't appear afterwards. Don't think it would have done be any bad had I not changed it, but nonetheless "it makes me feel better."

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by alphaod

Bigger particles of course, but there are still particles that may pass through the filter, I mean the oil passes through right? I'm pretty sure there are particles measured in ppm that can pass through as well, though probably not big enough to actually pose much risk to the engine.

It just makes me feel better and it only cost me some $75 for oil and filter, no minimal cost.

Anyways I do those Blackstone reports on my oil changes, there is some excess copper in the first change that didn't appear afterwards. Don't think it would have done be any bad had I not changed it, but nonetheless "it makes me feel better."

hmm, the friction additives also appears to be less on the initial factory fill...

[turboawd]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

hmm, the friction additives also appears to be less on the initial factory fill...

Some say that traditional oil is used in factory fill to promote breakin.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by turboawd

Some say that traditional oil is used in factory fill to promote breakin.

just shows the importance to follow factory guidance for break-in oil change. IMO, you should change when they say you should change. It's X000 miles for a reason. It's a classic issue of you thinking you're smarter than engineers who designed the motor.

Overall, in today's environment, this issue of a person thinking they're smarter than scientifically derived and technical reasons of doing things happens all the time. (economists, surveys, doctors, engineers)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio...-nichols-audio

[MochiEater]

Originally Posted by Thaigrr

Hello,
I own an X5 for a couple of months now and it's at 2000 miles. Should I go ahead and have an oil change done at the dealer?
Thank you.

How long are you planning on keeping the car? Unless it's over 100,000 miles, all you'll be doing is saving the next owner from having to rebuild the engine early.

[Kzang]

I think a very small percentage of people will keep their BMW's past 50 - 60k miles because most people would trade it in for a newer model and they would not want to keep the car past it's warranty term. Do as you please with the oil change. It make little to no difference anyway. Many cars on the road are still in perfect condition with very minimal care and maintenance including scheduled oil changes.

[alphaod]

I plan to drive mine until at least 100k miles if not more, then I'll get another car. So whilst it's running I'm doing the more "excessive" oil change plan.

[artem123]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Overall, in today's environment, this issue of a person thinking they're smarter than scientifically derived and technical reasons of doing things happens all the time. (economists, surveys, doctors, engineers)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio...-nichols-audio

Being a doctor I can totally relate to it. I have plenty of google institute graduates telling me what they need, and how I need to treat them))))

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Overall, in today's environment, this issue of a person thinking they're smarter than scientifically derived and technical reasons of doing things happens all the time.

what if the advice that is being given or printed from the mfg suits their agenda not the end-user? as in "free maintenance" is now extended further and further apart to save them money but when warranty is over costs you more for out of pocket services? there is a divide from what an engineer creates and advises and what the bean crunchers want. then there are shareholders and a board to answer to as well. many factors to consider before taking "advice". example being some time around 2003 and 2008 vehicles no longer needed to idle on cold mornings (especially diesel motors), manuals stated start the car and drive off however same car a year or two before with the same motor and design didn't have this message but coincidentally it was the same time idling laws changed and fines in large cities were being issued for idling longer than three to ten minutes and the EPA/CARB and the like started to work with local municipalities to crack own on it. now is this what the engineers of the motor wanted or is this the advice given because of changes within society?

[Apple Corps]

My two cents is that all of the excessive thinking about oil change is a waste of time. I have yet to see a single verifiable study that demonstrates ANY reliability / longevity benefit from non standard oil change intervals and factory specified oil.

Of course, there was an anecdotal report issued by the Brazilian Trade & Car Institute that touted proven gas mileage and engine reliability by adding 1 ounce of the perspiration from the upper thigh of Amazonian virgins to your oil every 500 miles. They ship to the dealers and everyone in the supply chain is a winner. Guess who the only person is that does not win?

Invest your intellectual horsepower in earning bigger dollars and be able to upgrade to a new car whenever you want.

YMMV

[F15GorDe]

Yeah, but I'll stick with the deep body of oil analyses done by the labs devoted to knowing what is and isn't working.
I follow a change interval of no more than 7k miles in my 35d. Any longer than that and it's questionable how much of the additive package is left.
YMMV

[DAKA]

And, when you do change the oil, yourself, (HOT), do you pour some fresh oil through with the drain open to "flush out what microscopic bits that may be lingering?
Probably best to just wait till the first yearly (10,000 mile) change..
Then again its "chicken soup" .. it can't hurt......
Then again, yes change the oil every 3,000 miles...then sell that car to me, I am actually looking for a '14 X5 .. I made a big mistake after my last X and leased a GLK, it's gone end of June.... (MO MORE M//B's)