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      10-22-2015, 02:17 PM   #1
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Exclamation BMW had Stopped 2016 Diesel Production... is now accepting orders-Production Jan!!!!


ALL ORDERED 2016 DIESELS WILL NOW FALLBACK TO 2015 MODELS.
The VW issue has literally hit the fan IMO!

***UPDATE***
BMW is slowly starting to offer limited allocations to dealers across US & Canada for Diesels.
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Why is that anything to do with the VW issue ?
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      10-22-2015, 04:48 PM   #3
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Apparently they are doing additional rigorous tests on all other diesel vehicles as the result of that screw up...
Until then everything is on halt for diesel...
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      10-22-2015, 05:47 PM   #4
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I don't think I would go ahead with the order because you're pretty much losing a whole model year and value will be lower once you decide to sell in future. I would wait until they figure things out and order 2016.
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So it's true then....my dealer emailed me to inform the delivery had been pushed back until further notice, ordered a '16 35d which was scheduled for Nov production to arrive in Dec...what are the option? Wait it out (who knows when) or search for a new vehicle?...bit gutted as this was my first bimmer
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Apparently they are doing additional rigorous tests on all other diesel vehicles as the result of that screw up...
Until then everything is on halt for diesel...
Then why is only the F15 affected if these additional tests apply to all diesel vehicles?
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I don't think I would go ahead with the order because you're pretty much losing a whole model year and value will be lower once you decide to sell in future. I would wait until they figure things out and order 2016.
Yes. That's what we're doing. It's a mess.
I told them there's no way I would buy a 2015 on the 11th month of 2015!
We have currently crossed out diesel.
Although still a true fan of diesel, but politically it is not the right time to buy one...as we are not certain what the future holds for Diesel.
Dealer said, the release and production of diesel will be completely stopped until further notice. I don't want to end up with a vehicle on the news!
I would recommend that to all others who are considering...
The dust needs to settle before diesel becomes an option again IMO...
Every diesel is under scrutiny for now...thx to "Das Auto!"
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Then why is only the F15 affected if these additional tests apply to all diesel vehicles?
Not sure if others are not affected... I haven't ordered one to know...the only diesels manufactured outside of Europe are X5 and X3 right?
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So it's true then....my dealer emailed me to inform the delivery had been pushed back until further notice, ordered a '16 35d which was scheduled for Nov production to arrive in Dec...what are the option? Wait it out (who knows when) or search for a new vehicle?...bit gutted as this was my first bimmer
You can get a 2015 diesel still but everything will be based on 2015 order guide.
The dealer told me that my ordered diesel is fully confirmed with all my selected options and still slated for early November production, but it will only get a tag of 2015. I said no way!
So I'm currently looking at 2016 35i or 2016 X6 35i.
Very unhappy!
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You can get a 2015 diesel still but everything will be based on 2015 order guide.
The dealer told me that my ordered diesel is fully confirmed with all my selected options and still slated for early November production, but it will only get a tag of 2015. I said no way!
So I'm currently looking at 2016 35i or 2016 X6 35i.
Very unhappy!
I debated a Diesel vs 35i. Went with the 35i. My wife primarily drives it in the city and she is getting 10.5L / 100 KM. She gets 800+ KM's on a tank. Keep in mind that 3/4 of the time she drives it Eco mode. I think its a reliable engine and don't think you can go too wrong. That is just my personal opinion.
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You can get a 2015 diesel still but everything will be based on 2015 order guide.
The dealer told me that my ordered diesel is fully confirmed with all my selected options and still slated for early November production, but it will only get a tag of 2015. I said no way!
So I'm currently looking at 2016 35i or 2016 X6 35i.
Very unhappy!
50i - go big or go home!
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I wonder if the regular premium package will be offered or if it's premium package 2.

I ordered a 2015 diesel in early October, and was informed that the surround view camera was not available therefore I got premium package 2 which is $4400.00 instead of the usual premium package for $4900. I wonder if I should re order now if they got the proper premium package back now?
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Has any market received 2016 Diesels yet? Could be a midcycle supplier change or other midcycle change that went awry?

Is VW consuming all available Urea Injection component capacity for retrofits ?
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I still do not get it... if there is an emission issue with the BMW diesel, how come they produce 2015 not 2016. They should stop production period.

But since 2015 is still being produced (unlike what happened with VW), it should mean something else. Like they switched a part or feature that require different supplier who just backed out and told them no more parts for you.
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2+2 = 5

Where does it say this is related to VW ?... as has been said above you would expect that if this was emissions related then they would stop production end of ! AFAIK there was no new engine for 2016 models so why would they continue to roll out 2015 models ??

There was a delay published a couple of months ago relating to US/Canada diesels, this seemed to be market related because UK models were unaffected (my UK 40d was built and delivered while US models were on hold which is 2016 spec).

I appreciate that it doesn't help you guys with the 2015/2016 ordering decision but it doesn't mean its related to VW (certainly from what I'm seeing).

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50i - go big or go home!
sorry, can't justify the $12,000 difference + plus more fuel consumption?!
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I wonder if the regular premium package will be offered or if it's premium package 2.

I ordered a 2015 diesel in early October, and was informed that the surround view camera was not available therefore I got premium package 2 which is $4400.00 instead of the usual premium package for $4900. I wonder if I should re order now if they got the proper premium package back now?
just consider 2015 order guide...
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2+2 = 5

Where does it say this is related to VW ?... as has been said above you would expect that if this was emissions related then they would stop production end of ! AFAIK there was no new engine for 2016 models so why would they continue to roll out 2015 models ??

There was a delay published a couple of months ago relating to US/Canada diesels, this seemed to be market related because UK models were unaffected (my UK 40d was built and delivered while US models were on hold which is 2016 spec).

I appreciate that it doesn't help you guys with the 2015/2016 ordering decision but it doesn't mean its related to VW (certainly from what I'm seeing).
I'm not speculating anything...this is what I'm verbally hearing from dealerships...a few other folks have heard the same. but aside from that, Did you really think that the marketing campaigns would bluntly announce it as such??!!! "yes, we are having our engines tested by EPA and we may well be closing down the shop on all our diesel models, as we might not make the short-list"!
Based on what I heard from the dealers, at this point it is a full stop to NorAm diesel production. That would mean the diesel might even be put aside for NorAm...note that environmental codes and regulations of Europe and NorAm are different.
The fact that is being sold in europe uninterrupted, is another reason why I think, all diesels in NorAm are now under microscope/
2+2=3

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Has any market received 2016 Diesels yet? Could be a midcycle supplier change or other midcycle change that went awry?

Is VW consuming all available Urea Injection component capacity for retrofits ?
never started production to begin with...all production of 2016 diesel was supposed to be starting in November....which now stopped.
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I still do not get it... if there is an emission issue with the BMW diesel, how come they produce 2015 not 2016. They should stop production period.

But since 2015 is still being produced (unlike what happened with VW), it should mean something else. Like they switched a part or feature that require different supplier who just backed out and told them no more parts for you.
from what I understood from the dealer, even the 2015's will stop after all the allocations of 2016 that were ordered to date, would be produced under 2015 tag.
They just managed to get the last line for those who had already placed their orders for a 2016, to revert back to 2015 order guide. and some people like me, just canceled it.
Makes me wonder, they might have had different plans for 2016, which would have not been compliant anymore with recent issues arising, so they've decided to double check everything!
regardless of all the speculations, I think strategically, it is not time to buy a diesel anymore. Even if this think gets resolved in a month, I still think it is risky and it could go either way!
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I'm not speculating anything...this is what I'm verbally hearing from dealerships...a few other folks have heard the same. but aside from that, Did you really think that the marketing campaigns would bluntly announce it as such??!!! "yes, we are having our engines tested by EPA and we may well be closing down the shop on all our diesel models, as we might not make the short-list"!
Based on what I heard from the dealers, at this point it is a full stop to NorAm diesel production. That would mean the diesel might even be put aside for NorAm...note that environmental codes and regulations of Europe and NorAm are different.
The fact that is being sold in europe uninterrupted, is another reason why I think, all diesels in NorAm are now under microscope/
2+2=3
The point being that NA diesels were delayed/stopped anyway quite a while ago... long before VW .... this is just an extension of the same delay (unless I have misunderstood) .... I'm not sure how many dealerships you have spoken to verbally but its all just rumour and speculation !
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