OEM 0W-30 ?? What are you using?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Blue By You

Okay so lower KV100 is better?

What do you think about HTHS 3.4 and KV100 11.7 lower temps/non track and 3.8/13.5 higher temps/some track?

That would be ok.

[Blue By You]

Originally Posted by edycol

That would be ok.

Red Line 5W30 is 11.9 and 3.7 with a Noack of 6. Wouldn't that pretty much be the ultimate?

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/f..._PROD_INFO.pdf

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Blue By You

Red Line 5W30 is 11.9 and 3.7 with a Noack of 6. Wouldn't that pretty much be the ultimate?

https://www.redlineoil.com/Content/f..._PROD_INFO.pdf

No. Oxidation. Redline is street/track oil. Additives are geared toward very high oil temperatures on track.
You need something approved for daily. No Redline performance series is approved for anything.
Again, something lighter but not too light with actual approvals, mainly MB229.5 (most comprehensive approval).

[Chilled]

Funny enough I am going through the same discovery process atm. Going through allot of the forums, youtubers tests and keep finding that 8100s seems to have the better anti wear properties across the range

I wish I wish i could get the X-Cess Gen2 5w40 here as its a nice medium between their 5w30 and 5w40.

Eg. Project Farm, youtuber and found that the testing method is iffy, doesn't produce the same results. His choice for winner is kind of off as he only takes the mass loss not the % of starting mass, and the reported oil specs are grossly incorrect.

The metrics, with % values.


Look at that % diff for Pennzoil between the 2 tests

Anyways the link where i pull the stats from.

Did have a look at other youtubers and it seems a tug of ware between Motul, LM and Ravenol. The oil type they choose from the brand (version ie. x-clean vs x-max, ect) does seem to make a huge difference.

[Blue By You]

Originally Posted by edycol

No. Oxidation. Redline is street/track oil. Additives are geared toward very high oil temperatures on track.
You need something approved for daily. No Redline performance series is approved for anything.
Again, something lighter but not too light with actual approvals, mainly MB229.5 (most comprehensive approval).

What if it's changed every 4-5K?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Blue By You

What if it's changed every 4-5K?

Maybe, maybe. But your oil temperatures really want traditional street oil. Track? Absolutely! Actually with those oil temperatures you don't need on track anything more than Redline 5W30.
I know people like Redline bcs. you know exotic oil, etc. but seriously, you would be better running that Castrol Edge 0W30. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 is very, very thin 40 grade. Some VOA show actually in 30 grade when fresh. That is really good oil.
I mean, by all means try Redline, but do UOA at 5k including TAN measurement.

[Blue By You]

Originally Posted by edycol

Maybe, maybe. But your oil temperatures really want traditional street oil. Track? Absolutely! Actually with those oil temperatures you don't need on track anything more than Redline 5W30.
I know people like Redline bcs. you know exotic oil, etc. but seriously, you would be better running that Castrol Edge 0W30. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 is very, very thin 40 grade. Some VOA show actually in 30 grade when fresh. That is really good oil.
I mean, by all means try Redline, but do UOA at 5k including TAN measurement.

I appreciate all the insight.

Please let me know if you can find the specs for the OEM BMW Twin Power Turbo 0W30, I'd be curious to know how that compares.

Thanks!

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Blue By You

I appreciate all the insight.

Please let me know if you can find the specs for the OEM BMW Twin Power Turbo 0W30, I'd be curious to know how that compares.

Thanks!

There is VOA somewhere here. Nothing special. KV100 in mid 10's, probably HTHS around 3.
TPT 5W30 on other hand looks really good. Similar KV100 but HTHS has to be minimum 3.5. So that is definitely good oil.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Edycol, I'm curious to your thoughts on ASTM D5481 vs ASTM D4741 for HTHS testing methodologies. I ask as I notice Liqui Moly uses this on their 5-40 Leichtlauf vs other manufacturers seem to favor the D4741 method. From what I can tell, D5481 appears to be more stringent.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

Edycol, I'm curious to your thoughts on ASTM D5481 vs ASTM D4741 for HTHS testing methodologies. I ask as I notice Liqui Moly uses this on their 5-40 Leichtlauf vs other manufacturers seem to favor the D4741 method. From what I can tell, D5481 appears to be more stringent.

Manufacturers play this game where they get better values using different methods. Castrol on other hand genuinely uses for example D93 instead of D92 to determine flash point as they obviously think it is better, although to general public it looks as worse result.

I am skeptical about Liqui Moly since I worked as test driver for oil blender in Europe some 16-17yrs ago. We tested a lot of oils for comparison and Liqui Moly was becoming popular, so we used it too. It had actually worse results than some of the small really unknown blenders here like INA, OLMA, MOL, and some others. I bet they improved a lot, but IMO, not on par with big names.

That being said, they are approved for some of the most stringent approvals. It is still good oil, just there are a lot of excellent oils in this game.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by edycol

Manufacturers play this game where they get better values using different methods. Castrol on other hand genuinely uses for example D93 instead of D92 to determine flash point as they obviously think it is better, although to general public it looks as worse result.

I am skeptical about Liqui Moly since I worked as test driver for oil blender in Europe some 16-17yrs ago. We tested a lot of oils for comparison and Liqui Moly was becoming popular, so we used it too. It had actually worse results than some of the small really unknown blenders here like INA, OLMA, MOL, and some others. I bet they improved a lot, but IMO, not on par with big names.

That being said, they are approved for some of the most stringent approvals. It is still good oil, just there are a lot of excellent oils in this game.

Interesting. They must have improved since then as so far have had excellent luck with Liqui Moly Leichtlauf 5-40 plus the Mos2 additive. Below are pics from my original N63 that has been tuned to S63 power levels at 138K miles when I replaced the valve stem seals and decided to pull the heads to remove the excessive carbon build up from driving 40K miles with bad stem seals.

Everything appeared to be in excellent shape for the miles & cylinder leak down were all within 5%. Engine is now at 175K miles and is driven like its stolen every day. No doubt there are better oils, at least on paper, but this has been working so well for me I am going to stick with it. Any oil that nets 175K+ miles in a 560hp low 12 second 1/4 mile 5500lb tank has to be doing something right.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

Interesting. They must have improved since then as so far have had excellent luck with Liqui Moly Leichtlauf 5-40 plus the Mos2 additive. Below are pics from my original N63 that has been tuned to S63 power levels at 138K miles when I replaced the valve stem seals and decided to pull the heads to remove the excessive carbon build up from driving 40K miles with bad stem seals.

Everything appeared to be in excellent shape for the miles & cylinder leak down were all within 5%. Engine is now at 175K miles and is driven like its stolen every day. No doubt there are better oils, at least on paper, but this has been working so well for me I am going to stick with it. Any oil that nets 175K+ miles in a 560hp low 12 second 1/4 mile 5500lb tank has to be doing something right.

Again, their oils are approved for most stringent approvals.
But, this topic is like: do you prefer Michelin Pilot PS4S or Yokohama Advan Apax V601?

They will do job. This is matured industry. But, product they offer is marked up bcs. Made in Germany and shameless marketing, while you can pick up better product in local Wal Mart. That is what I am saying.

[thetankrolling]

What bmw uses when they service my vehicle. In South Africa where I live, Bmw vehicles come with minimum 5 year maintenance plan and any repair costs us nothing and the services cost nothing as well.

We however have to service at a BMW dealership and cannot performance mod our cars during this period should we wish to keep this cover in place. I have optioned through BMW to extend my plan to 7 years and hence I get given the BMW branded oil.

[Chilled]

A watch, the scoring numbers seem to line up between Shell and BMW. So at least the testing methodology is repeatable.

[thetankrolling]

Originally Posted by Chilled

A watch, the scoring numbers seem to line up between Shell and BMW. So at least the testing methodology is repeatable.

Originally Posted by Chilled

A watch, the scoring numbers seem to line up between Shell and BMW. So at least the testing methodology is repeatable.

In actual fact on the rear of the bottle I took a image of Shell is written with a TCCS number next to it

[Chilled]

oh, no, I knew Shell made BMWs oil. Based on the scoring numbers, it looks to be in the Helix Ultra line. ( personally don't care enough to find out, nor use Shell).

Just more of a hey, his testing method looks repeatable, in prep for the eventual statement that BMW branded oil is the best.

[J0hnnyB0yx5m]

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-liqui_mo...ter/20232~liq/

So shopped around and this is the stuff to be using!! Lol

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Chilled

oh, no, I knew Shell made BMWs oil. Based on the scoring numbers, it looks to be in the Helix Ultra line. ( personally don't care enough to find out, nor use Shell).

Just more of a hey, his testing method looks repeatable, in prep for the eventual statement that BMW branded oil is the best.

Shell made specific oil for BMW. It is not repackaged Helix.
But since February 2021, Castrol is supplier.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by J0hnnyB0yx5m

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-liqui_mo...ter/20232~liq/

So shopped around and this is the stuff to be using!! Lol

It is too heavy for HTHS it offers. Also, evaporation loss (Noack) is really not good.

[Blue By You]

Originally Posted by edycol

It is too heavy for HTHS it offers. Also, evaporation loss (Noack) is really not good.

This is the oil one of my indies originally recommended. Might be a good replacement for that one. It's >3.5 and 12.2 with a Noack of 9.5.

I originally shied away from it, but those numbers are pretty damn good and it says suitable for LL01 and LL01-FE.

https://pim.liqui-moly.de/pdf/en_GB/liqui/90/P000323

[Chilled]

Originally Posted by edycol

Shell made specific oil for BMW. It is not repackaged Helix.
But since February 2021, Castrol is supplier.

oh that's cool. I'm guessing its the Euro (A3/B4) Edge 0w40?

You wouldn't have a link to the publication by any chance?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by Chilled

oh that's cool. I'm guessing its the Euro (A3/B4) Edge 0w40?

You wouldn't have a link to the publication by any chance?

Castrol is also making specific BMW oils.
There is Russian web site oil-club.ru where they tested bunch of TPT stuff. Completely different from Helix. More PAO, less GTL.