[Acexxon]

Well.. one thing that's for sure, it ain't gonna be a sports car... so at that price range unless you are going after luxury, a Porsche or maybe even McLaren 570S would be a wiser choice.

I love BMW, but they just haven't got a pure sports car to compete... maybe they are just not into that market

[3GFX]

Grand tourer is the name of the game

[Law]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I remember it being in the video for his Dre diss track.

Precisely at 0:49

[cipher5]

Please BMW don't touch the 6GC.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by cipher5

Please BMW don't touch the 6GC.

The 6GC is going away in favor of a 6GT later this year and, reportedly but not confirmed yet, an 8GC at some point.

I suspect that the new 8 Series models won't cost quite as much more than their 6 Series counterparts as one might think. The 6 Series is already hovering near 7 Series pricing for an equivalently powered model. My point here is that if you can afford a 6 Series today, you will likely not be priced out of the upcoming 8 Series replacement just because it gains +2 in its name.

[kashe5_AMG]

Originally Posted by scoobysaurus

meh. As far as I'm concerned $130 and under I'd get the M. If I was gonna spend over $130k I'd get an AMG. I really don't like the low end AMG's they seem kind of pretentious while M cars are focused on driving pleasure. Once you go higher up, AMG's are either more opulent (S, SL and G) or offer performance that current M cars can't match (GT). I've never owned an M but having driven quite a few I'd pick both M and AMG cars from 5-10 years ago over their current counterparts.

As for M3 vs C63, E92 > W204 > F82 > W205. Just my 2 cents

the 204 is definitely a different feel than the 205. i had the pre-facelift 204 before the 205. i miss the engine and more aggressive look of the 204 but the handling and interior on the 205 are miles ahead. i think with the exception of interiors, the same applies to the e9x vs f8x series m3/m4. the older one was just more aggressive and badass overall. so my ranking between the 4 might not be the same as yours but i agree that there was something more special about the older ones.

[brad850csi]

Someone should compare the c63s coupe to the f13 m6 I think. Both twin turbo v8s and within 50kg of each other. The m4 is so much lighter that it will always be completely different to the other two.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by YungDro

So excited to see it !!!

No doubt !!

[OTJeebus]

Originally Posted by YungDro

there will be a 8 series GC and M8 GC

Any sources on the m8gc??

[SliChillax]

Originally Posted by RACEM4TE

I think you mean Q7 but theres no coupe variant from that

No, I mean the Q8

http://www.audi.com/en/innovation/de...8_concept.html

It's going in production later this year or Q1 2018 Audi has confirmed. It's basically a "coupe" Q7, has nothing to do with the GLS from Merc.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by advantage20

There is no doubt there will be a V12 version reminiscent of the original model, logically taking the M Performance route (M860i) just like the 7 Series and X7, for weight and engine character considerations, making it a powerful luxury GT.

A V12-powered 8 Series is actually not likely to materialize. And furthermore the X7 is not getting a V12 either.

Instead, perhaps we could see a "60e" iPerformance designation which combines a V8 and electric motor to serve as the flagship. In the 8 Series case, this may depend on how they feel this model would coexist along side the M8 without too much potential for robbing one another of sales. This of course would likely come after the introduction of a "50e" designation for I6-powered eDrive models. No word yet on when we might see that.

But unlike the 7 Series, the 8 should also spawn a full-blown M version which should logically be a lighter high-revving V8.

There will indeed be an F91/F92/F93 M8, and it will most probably be powered by the successor to the S63 (which will soon debut in its final "T4" form in the F90 M5). The 850i, we know, will get a new 4.0L V8, so an M version of that engine only makes sense. High-revving character may not be likely since it will be turbocharged. But it's not out of the question. For example, and for some fun wild speculation, imagine the new M840T V8 engine from the McLaren 720S (a turnabout from when BMW supplied McLaren with a V12 years ago).

Originally Posted by OTJeebus

Any sources on the m8gc??

Insider ynguldyn has mentioned both an 8GC and M8 GC:

http://bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901686

[AntDX316]

I assume an 8-series would be Maybach grade? An 8-series has to be bigger than the 7-series.

The 7-series is truly big. I'm not sure how much bigger but the '13 7-series is so big it takes up nearly the entire parking space. If you do not turn in correctly you will be on the line or over it. There isn't much room to spare. With the 5-series you have room to spare. I use the top-down camera to perfect the "line". I don't have the L but when there is that square thing turned 90 degrees like a diamond that some parking lots have and I'm just on the curb to not hit it the back end takes up the whole space to the end of the line and more maybe. Sometimes I feel it's not much different than the 5-series we had but when comparing the feel of size to SUVs and other cars it feels as if it's an SUV that has been scrunched vertically.

xDrive is truly amazing as acceleration feels like it's not even raining. Using LC with Sport+ or TC doesn't make it launch smooth. It's like the axles or something is grinding during the stop and go of the stability system. DSC OFF is totally the way to take off in the wet but in the dry I assume LC is better on the components. Filming from the outside it seems DSC OFF looks faster because the visual get away look seems to be better and it isn't a placebo.

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

A V12-powered 8 Series is actually not likely to materialize. And furthermore the X7 is not getting a V12 either.

That would be a real shame given the history of the 8 Series, the rivals BMW is aiming to compete against (S Class Coupé), and furthermore BMW's ambition to gain credibility and garner profit in the luxury segments. It would only seem coherent to maximize the V12 engine across the whole higher BMW range and not the 7 (and potentially 9) Series sedans only, at a time when the luxury market is becoming less about sedans and more about SUVs. There is still enough room left to set the Rolls-Royce Wraith apart from a V12 8 Series and the Rolls-Royce Cullinan apart from a V12 X7 (which Scott had mentioned).

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by AntDX316

I assume an 8-series would be Maybach grade? An 8-series has to be bigger than the 7-series.

Not necessarily. The 6 Series coupe and convertible are smaller (shorter, shorter wheelbase) than the 5 Series sedan. The 6 Gran Coupe is naturally larger than the two-door models, but not larger than the sedan. Expect a similar relationship between the 7 Series and 8 Series.

[advantage20]

The 6 Gran Coupé (5.01m) was indeed longer than the 6 Coupé (4.89m) but it was actually also longer than the 5 Sedan (4.91m), due to its massive overhangs as the wheelbase was the same. We can expect the 8 Coupé to grow and reach the 5m of the S Class Coupé, and the 8 Gran Coupé to match the 7 Sedan length.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

BMW does GC's right. The 6GC and the 4 GC are both great looking vehicles.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

BMW does GC's right. The 6GC and the 4 GC are both great looking vehicles.

Agreed - actually surprised we didn't see an M4 GC for the F82 generation - I think a lot of people would have liked how that car would have turned out. Just a slightly shrunken version of the 6.

[Matski]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The 850i, we know, will get a new 4.0L V8, so an M version of that engine only makes sense. High-revving character may not be likely since it will be turbocharged. But it's not out of the question. For example, and for some fun wild speculation, imagine the new M840T V8 engine from the McLaren 720S

Interesting. If the 8 Series is going to form the basis of a GTE car it'll need a 4.0 litre engine for homologation purposes in to the WEC.

[vincechase]

Originally Posted by clbmw

It's a moot point too because I seriously doubt BMW will ever produce anything that'll close the gap to either of those cars.

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

Not that it matters in the real world, but hey it's the image of the brand at the end of the day and that will affect some people's choices.

Fair enough. Agreed

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by imkash

this is false

No it's not...

The Apples to Apples comparison of Nurburgring lap times is the Sport Auto Supertests. Unlike factory set lap times with undisclosed preparations done to the cars, Sport Auto test a standard production car on std tires and std suspension settings.

The AMG GT R set a faster lap time than the 918 Spyder when tested by a independent driver.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/e...-11630808.html

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agreed - actually surprised we didn't see an M4 GC for the F82 generation - I think a lot of people would have liked how that car would have turned out. Just a slightly shrunken version of the 6.

I would have loved a M4 GC. Would jump on that in a heartbeat.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

I would have loved a M4 GC. Would jump on that in a heartbeat.

It's funny because I park next to a ZCP M4 and M6 GC everyday - and we were chatting about what a "morphed" baby would look like - with the M6 GC lines, the approximate size of the M4, and the hips/ass of my ZCP M3.

Now THAT would have been awesome...