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      09-20-2013, 01:17 PM   #23
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You're using a ratio right now.

And you can't do it that way because you are using gallon conversion (1 Imperial Gallon = 1.20095 US gallons) to calculate miles per gallon. If we did it the way you described, you would see a MPG figure of 22.5 mpg US instead of 17 MPG US on the 50i. There is no way the 35d is getting 38mpg combined. 28.7 is much more realistic and will am going to say the BMW will rate it 27-28 mpg combined with the EPA rating it 26-27 combined.
I dont want to start debate, but you got my post twisted around in so many ways
I never said "combined" mpg, i always used city/highway US standard
and 38mpg was plain conversion from your 45.6 number.
And if you look at my estimate in bold, i said 35 highway, which is realistic IMO
i think "combined" for 35d, should be around 27-28 US mpg
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I dont want to start debate, but you got my post twisted around in so many ways
I never said "combined" mpg, i always used city/highway US standard
and 38mpg was plain conversion from your 45.6 number.
And if you look at my estimate in bold, i said 35 highway, which is realistic IMO
i think "combined" for 35d, should be around 27-28 US mpg

Okay, let's not get into a debate. I agree that the X5d will see a couple mpg less than the 5 series diesel. The Euro MPG ratings have always been optimistically high.

Are all European roads down-hill?
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The Euro MPG ratings have always been optimistically high.
Are all European roads down-hill?
No, it's just we americans are a bit fat
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      09-22-2013, 05:46 PM   #26
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These possible numbers seem to be quite an increase in MPG from my current 35d which is 19/26! Actually I get more like 21.5 -22 in city driving, but I am not thrashing it around, and have gotten 28-29 on interstate driving keeping it between 70-75. Should we expect such a big improvement? As it stands, diesel gas is about 30 cents more than premium where I live. Too tiresome crunching numbers, but now with 27 mpg on the new 35i, I am thinking about going back to regular gas. Guess I will need to wait until the final numbers come out and decide.
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Completely random guess - 22/31 25 combined.
Not bad for a random guess.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
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Official EPA numbers for 35D?

My wife just ordered her 2014 X5 xDrive35d today, and the paperwork we got with our order shows 23/31 mpg (city/highway). I'm pretty dissappointed by those numbers.
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My wife just ordered her 2014 X5 xDrive35d today, and the paperwork we got with our order shows 23/31 mpg (city/highway). I'm pretty dissappointed by those numbers.
I think those numbers sound pretty good. What were you expecting?
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I was expecting something in the high 30's, closer to the Euro specs. I was also expecting a govt rebate for buying a diesel, but that's not available for the 2014 models.
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I was expecting something in the high 30's, closer to the Euro specs. I was also expecting a govt rebate for buying a diesel, but that's not available for the 2014 models.
Don't forget the euro specs are "better" purely because a Euro gallon is actually more diesel / gas, so you'll go further on it. There's no "worse for the US market" plan per se

A UK gallon is 1.2 US gallons - so 23/31mpg in US is the same as 27.6/37.2mpg in the UK

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My wife just ordered her 2014 X5 xDrive35d today, and the paperwork we got with our order shows 23/31 mpg (city/highway). I'm pretty dissappointed by those numbers.
Not sure why you are disappointed with these numbers. I think 23 city/31 highway is awesome.

Compared to the 2013 x5 diesel, city mpg is 21% better and highway mpg is 19% better.

Compared to the 2014 x35i, city mpg is 28% better and highway mpg is 13% better.

The 2014 x5 35d also gets better mpg than all the key 2014 4wd diesel competitors: ML 350 Bluetec is 20/28, Audi Q7 is 19/28, Jeep Grand Cherokee is 21/28.

As for a federal tax credit for diesels, that program expired at the end of 2010.

BMW used to offer their sizable "eco credit" on diesels (it was generally assumed that they did this because they needed to sell more diesels in order to get their overall fleet mileage down), but they have I believe more than offset the elimination of that program by reducing the formerly hefty price premium of the diesel x5 (vs the 35i gas) down to a more manageable $1,500 for the 2014 models.

I genuinely believe that you and your wife got a great deal on a great car when you ordered your 2014 X5d. Enjoy it when it arrives!
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Good points...thank you for the information.
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I was expecting something in the high 30's, closer to the Euro specs. I was also expecting a govt rebate for buying a diesel, but that's not available for the 2014 models.
The US EPA determines fuel economy estimates differently than the European countries. Most experts agree that the European ratings are overly optimistic.

Also, keep in mind that the X5 weighs around 5000 pounds and BMW buyers expect decent performance. I'm not sure high 30s mpgs are possible with current technology given those parameters.
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US EPA is kind of pessimistic for BMWs, not sure why
But then again, I beat EPA numbers by large margin in all my bimmers
335i with N54 was rated at 26, what?
Cruising on the highway i was getting 32-33 minimum and with light foot could get it to 35mpg.
X6M - same thing, rated 17, got constantly 20-21, with light foot 23mpg
2001 330i - not sure of the EPA, but did 34-37mpg easily
35d will easily do 33-35 in normal highway driving
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