11-21-2017, 08:27 PM | #1 |
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I've had my X5 for 2 years and the 3rd row is starting to get a bit cramped for my kids. So, I decided to test drive a Tesla Model X 100D.
Never drove a Tesla before so it was a pretty cool experience. The instant torque was amazing and the ride was fairly good. Hard to really make a comparison to the X5; they're just 2 different types of animals. Funny thing, the 3rd row wasn't that much better than the X5. The fit and finish wasn't great. I noticed gaps in one of the body panels and the falcon door was ever so slightly off. The demo we drove only had 13 miles so it wasn't like it was abused or anything. Overall I liked it, but for $115k it wouldn't be my first choice.
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Biggest issue is that they are ugly as sin, and like you said, the interior is cheap. However, love the technology.
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Maybe, an oblong egg shaped thing that Mork from Ork would travel in? :-) No offense to Tesla lovers.
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The P100D acceleration is insane and the tech is pretty awesome to play with. However, as everyone has experienced, the build quality and materials are absolutely atrocious.
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11-21-2017, 10:20 PM | #5 |
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We had considered the tesla x till the time we saw one and that 3rd row was too a put off also. You can try the new discovery to see if its any better.
We also checked the xc90 and weren't too happy.
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11-22-2017, 08:52 AM | #6 |
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Here's my take on 3rd row SUVs. Having owned a lot of minivans in the past I came to a conclusion that the best layout is when you have 2nd row captains chairs and thus a passage between them to a 3rd row. That way you don't have to constantly recline seats and squeeze in to get to 3rd row - gets old very fast (besides if you have a toddler or kid <10yo - they do use boosters and reclining 2nd row with anything in the seat (like carseat or booster) is a PITA
The list of SUVs that offer 2nd row captain chairs are limited. Tesla X is one of them, but that one is crossed off the list due to limited range - maybe in 10-20 years when new battery tech will be a lot better (I can't wait for anything longer than 5-10 min to charge lol) Other SUVs are: 2017 Acura MDX 2017 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid 2017 Buick Enclave 2017 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV 2017 Chevrolet Suburban 2017 Chevrolet Tahoe 2017 Chevrolet Traverse 2017 Dodge Durango 2017 Ford Expedition, Expedition EL 2017 Ford Explorer 2017 Ford Flex 2017 GMC Acadia 2017 GMC Yukon, Yukon XL 2017 Honda Pilot 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe 2017 Infiniti QX80 2017 Lexus GX 460 2017 Lincoln MKT 2017 Lincoln Navigator, Navigator L 2017 Nissan Armada 2017 Tesla Model X 2017 Toyota Highlander 2017 Toyota Highlander Hybrid 2017 Toyota Sequoia BTW Volvo xc90 has no such option alas....so I crossed it off the list as well. From the list remaining, I can safely cross huge dinosaurs like Tahoe/Suburban etc. - simply because I don't want a huge bus, I want a mid-size SUV lol A lot of them are domestic crap (no offense to domestic car lovers lol) and others are a horrible driving cars due to a frame build - like QX80 and similar. Frankly the best of them is Acura MDX for me, but it's still not ideal IMHO I think if new upcoming x5 had an option to have 2nd row captains chairs with 3rd row accessible via passage between captain chairs AND it had a plug-in battery good for about 25-30 miles - that would be a win-win! Ideal SUV with 3rd row and EV range that most of us can relate in real life Last edited by DuSh; 11-22-2017 at 10:22 AM.. |
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I do not like Consumer Reports, but they rated this Tesla "suv" as the most problematic car for sale in the USA. Fiat scored better than Tesla!!!! |
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I'm a little confused with 3rd-row space remarks
I can sit there comfortably when the 2nd row is in the right position (not pushed all the way back) and I'm 5'11" This is my family hauler with 3 kids household I can throw anything on this car, the amount of space while 3-rd row is up is unheard of X5 can barely take fraction of the amount of cargo Fit and finish is fine Not as nice as my X6M was, but definitely not as described here P.S. The convenience of getting kids in and out is better than minivan |
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I'm waiting for other manufacturers to produce something similar, but plug-in hybrid - I can't depend on battery only, I need ability to move 100% of time on first demand, so Tesla is a no go. Or maybe Tesla will add some small combustion engine - to power it if batteries are depleted - I doubt Tesla will do it tho. In 10-20 years we'll see lots of similar SUVs plug-ins including from Germans - I hope BMW will do it and do it properly - then I'll jump on it - because no doubt it will drive better than any other similar SUV |
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That will turn me away The beauty is that I never go to gas up or for maintenance. Every time I leave my house it's 100% ready and fully charged Regarding some minivan points: Yes you can beat it in some areas. In the rain, I open falcon door and buckle up my youngest child in his car seat while standing straight in comfort. In tight parking spots, once the door opens you have lots of room to enter the car. There is no sliding door in the way. And if someone blocked your entrance badly, use your remote to autopilot your car out of the parking space. This came in handy many times for me. Tight garage with barely any ceiling height is not a problem either. Unless it's 7 feet or something. Not sure where minivan can beat it here really Watch the X unveil P.S. I do have 6 seater with captain seats. Very good configuration I'd take it over 7-seater any day Also kids have a very good unobstructed view to the front and sides from 3-rd row Steering wheel and controls are straight from Mercedes. It's just like the one in GLS |
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They definitely have an ugly front end, and I was going to defend the way they look from side or rear but yeah it is pretty bad all the way around. I have seen a handful of them here in California with nice wheels and a wrap that looked pretty good.
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11-24-2017, 08:18 PM | #13 |
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I just don't get it. It's like they spent 95% of their budget on R&D and let a blind person design it.
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But in all seriousness, I love the design personally. I'm also surprised that 10-year-old design is still out selling the big boys, like S class Mercedes, BMW seven series and Audi A8 I don't think I ever got as many compliments on any car I owned. There is got to be something good about it, or majority of people don't have a good taste. I think the problem for you is that it doesn't have kidney grills. Maybe Tesla should borrow the ones from X7 What a great accomplishment by design team |
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Looks are absolutely subjective.
I personally like the exterior of the Model S. Certainly looks a billion times better than many BMWs, a 5 Series GT for sure. |
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11-24-2017, 09:42 PM | #16 |
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I think Tesla went for lower air drag coefficient rather than for looks - it probably saved 10-15% battery due to that (especially on highway speeds). It looks good overall, I like rear, but front needs some work
It's not the looks that worry me, but the fact that there's no secret sauce in Tesla tech - same batteries as everywhere else. The only advantage was early timing - tesla offered something that wasn't available from other manufacturers yet. The thing is - in 10 years basically ALL manufacturers will have similar models and I can bet a lot of them will have advantage in price. Tesla needs to stop loosing money - it's good until it's exotics and people buy it for the sheer novelty, but that is ending fast and soon it will have to compete financially with other manufacturers and so far Mask hasn't showed any progress on profitability. There's still time, but I can already see articles in 10 years comparing 5-7 different electric sedans and SUVs and for some reason I can bet BMW or Porsche will be at the top in handling and luxury, while ALL of them will have same range as Tesla (guess where Tesla be in that list, if it even make it there) Just my opinion |
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Tesla plan is working wether they survive or not, though i believe they do have a very bright future
They wanted everyone off of the fossil fuel and i think the ball is rolling now... It is a tough competition out there with all manufacturers jumping on the electrification bandwagon. They had a head start, but they's not standing still. Secret sauce? Depends how you look at it. If i was told 2 years ago that a large heavy 7-seater sedan would be able to travel 300+ miles while beating any production car on the planet in acceleration and be able to drive itself, park itself and heat/cool itself by learning your habits, i'd be laughing at that person. Now, they wanna do hypercar with the price tag of a sports car and big rig I wanna see a single BMW this decade that can compete with 35K price point. Better yet, i wanna see all become a Tesla competition, so they innovate even more. Right now nothing really does |
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P.S. One correction tho: while your Model X P90DL can accelerate faster than my tuned 50i from 0 to 60 (3.2sec vs 3.8sec), we will be even at 1/4 mile mark and I bet i will pull ahead after that as speeds increase and after 130mph (max speed for Tesla p90dl) i will simply leave it behind while accelerating all the way up to 180mph (hello autobans). And afaik your X P90DL range is 250miles no? If we go travel or visiting parents in different state 800 miles trip - guess who is going to arrive first because I won't need to wait to recharge. Also, I'm still going to choose my x5 for handling and comfort - but I'm biased |
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Tesla is not losing money on every car it makes, it makes about 20-25%, which is a very good margin. Germans dont even have that much profit. Model S and X helps a lot financially. Tesla is growing and keeps borrowing money to grow its business Please do some reading if interested It's very similar to Amazon in the early stages 3-series for 35K? No, i'd rather have Model 3, even if it's a base model with 220m range At that price, 3-er is far from inspiring I think similarly priced, Tesla would still be a better buy I also believe the sales will prove that if 3-er is not innovating by the time 3 is readily available. After all, 500K of orders is some insane interest that no car has ever seen. Your 50i is tuned and my P90D is absolete We are comparing something that is not stock to something you can't buy any longer. Maybe we should look at P100D with 300m range That thing eats lambos in 1/4m, which is more than enough to get arrested if you do it on the streets. And it's 155mph governor limit, not 130 Not sure how badly you're tuned, but i'm having hard time believing you can even come close to 11.3sec @ 118mph on your 50i. My X6M felt like 4-cyl car compared to Model X This is the world record for ANY production SUV Having 700lbft+ at any given moment with no drama, no shifting, no revving is intoxicating. This never gets old, trust me X5 handles poorly, while X6M is very similar to X. Last thing, the range Yes, you'd be at your destination sooner. However, i get there with happy face and rested with help of autopilot I'm sure my kids will appreciate a few stops that we can enjoy our meal and free charging. I never had to wait for my car to charge. it was always ready before we finished restroom stops or snacking/lunch/dinner I dont think it would take me less time in any other car, having 3 small kids on board It's an amazing road-trip car Last edited by AndreyATC; 11-25-2017 at 03:14 PM.. |
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Anyhow, 35k gets you 320i RWD with no nav or anything. It's almost better getting corolla. Base Model 3 runs 4.8sec 0-60, so it's ready to complete with 340i before even awd or performance version is out. And we all now where that price starts What makes you think your 328xi will out handle 3 without any base support? Have you driven one??? Also, your e90 probably had 45k tag, though it's irrelevant. New one is more expensive now The video of highly tuned and supercharged lambo with 800hp against SUV has expected outcome. What's your point? Autopilot is an awesome assist when you travel So yes, it's always on, just because it provides another pair of eyes on the road. This thing saved my but few times. Radar could see few cars ahead and slow down before car in front of you realizes something Back to OP My friends just visited us with new Volvo XC90 Nice car, but everyone agreed that the X is cooler and has a lot more space |
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I'm starting to feel like I'm on a Tesla forum. I'm biased, so are you, so I'll refrain from any more comments Last edited by DuSh; 11-26-2017 at 12:10 AM.. |
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