No more Michelin PSSs for X5/X6 M?

Luca42 · 08-02-2016, 04:55 PM

Has anyone heard that Michelin has decided to stop making the Pilot Super Sports (in 21") for our cars?

Here's how I heard this from my SA: I have a slow leak in a front tire and take it in to the dealer to inspect. Sure enough, there is a nail embedded in the tire. I'm thinking that they will have to replace the tire (I have BMW's wheel and tire coverage). Instead, my SA comes back, asking I want "four Dunlop replacement tires or Bridgestones." What gives?

He tells me several things: 1) he cannot find a single PSS in any warehouse in the country; 2) he has called BMW and they will apparently not use them for our cars; and 3) he calls Michelin, confirms that Michelin will not make the tire any longer and Michelin is prepared to pay for three tires of any brand to replace the three other tires I will need to replace. Long story short -- for $50, I'm getting four new tires (N.B., I discussed and my dealer is replacing them with the Pirellis in 21")

Just wondering if anyone else has come across this. I did some independent research and no one has any in stock (Tire Rack, etc.). I had only 10k miles on my PSSs -- has anyone else had to replace and come across this issue?

I'm just wondering because the Pirellis are a run-flat tire and I've not heard anything favorable about the Dunlops. I am a fan of the Michelins.

trev230 · 08-02-2016, 04:59 PM

They show available 8/26-Fronts and 9/30-Rears on Tire Rack. I know GMP in Charlotte said the tire is normally hard to get because one of the Porsche vehicles used the same exact size as the X5M 21" OEM setup

This would suck if it is true. I specifically wanted 21" wheels for my car so I could run the Michelin PSS tire.

Luca42 · 08-02-2016, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by trev230

They show available 8/26-Fronts and 9/30-Rears on Tire Rack. I know GMP in Charlotte said the tire is normally hard to get because one of the Porsche vehicles used the same exact size as the X5M 21" OEM setup

This would suck if it is true. I specifically wanted 21" wheels for my car so I could run the Michelin PSS tire.

Yes, I saw that. I asked the SA the same. I could easily wait for three weeks.

But my SA stated that BMW will be putting a new tire on the 2017s and moving away from the Michelins. So, are we to assume that the inventory availability is inaccurate?

trev230 · 08-02-2016, 07:11 PM

The dunlop and Pirelli in those sizes are run flats. Maybe they were confused? I hope they are wrong. I love the performance of this tire.

GladiatorOwner · 08-02-2016, 08:01 PM

I ordered my X5M in mid June and received it by the end of June. X has 21s with MPSS. So if this is all true it must have happened within a month. I find this hard to believe Michelin wouldn't be staying with the M cars. They make a tire for all of them, not only the Xs.

IndyM · 08-02-2016, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Luca42

Yes, I saw that. I asked the SA the same. I could easily wait for three weeks.

But my SA stated that BMW will be putting a new tire on the 2017s and moving away from the Michelins. So, are we to assume that the inventory availability is inaccurate?

I'll be able to tell you in another week or two when I pick up my '17. But I can't imagine BMW would move away from Michelin for the M. Aren't the PSS's on all of the M cars?

And, if they are replacing them, for the love of god, don't let it be with Dunlops. They're awful.

Ex_Stig · 08-02-2016, 10:51 PM

No, it is luck of the draw on some. My '14 M5 has PZeros on it.

sos_73 · 08-03-2016, 12:47 AM

I don't think the Pirelli P-Zero are run-flat.
I was on the Highway two weeks ago and I rode on a screw.
I heard immediately a strange noise and the tire pressure indicator is immediately turned red.
Hopfully it was near my house so I could arrive safe at home (less than 5km- 3miles).
Arrived in my garage, all the air escapes the tire and in 30 seconds it was completely flat.
As I live in Switzerland, we don't have the tire and wheel insurance so it cost me 625CHF (650USD) to replace the rear tire.
My tire dealer could not find any Pirelli P-Zero in 325/35R20 108Y in Switzerland so he has to order one in France.
So it seems that it is very difficult to find tires for our cars regardless of size and brand.

gizmo958 · 08-03-2016, 02:18 AM

wish yokohama advan made tyres for the x5m . i have them on my evolution 9 (ix) and my lord they are physic defying

UrbanExtant · 08-03-2016, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sos_73

I don't think the Pirelli P-Zero are run-flat.
I was on the Highway two weeks ago and I rode on a screw.
I heard immediately a strange noise and the tire pressure indicator is immediately turned red.
Hopfully it was near my house so I could arrive safe at home (less than 5km- 3miles).
Arrived in my garage, all the air escapes the tire and in 30 seconds it was completely flat.
As I live in Switzerland, we don't have the tire and wheel insurance so it cost me 625CHF (650USD) to replace the rear tire.
My tire dealer could not find any Pirelli P-Zero in 325/35R20 108Y in Switzerland so he has to order one in France.
So it seems that it is very difficult to find tires for our cars regardless of size and brand.

The P-Zero for the 21" rim is a run on flat tire.

Luca42 · 08-03-2016, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by trev230

The dunlop and Pirelli in those sizes are run flats. Maybe they were confused? I hope they are wrong. I love the performance of this tire.

I know the Pirelli is a run flat tire. Not sure about the Dunlop.

I do too. In fact, if one tire were not compromised, I would just LOVE to extract the last bit of performance from these tires before they are replaced tomorrow.

Luca42 · 08-03-2016, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyM

I'll be able to tell you in another week or two when I pick up my '17. But I can't imagine BMW would move away from Michelin for the M. Aren't the PSS's on all of the M cars?

And, if they are replacing them, for the love of god, don't let it be with Dunlops. They're awful.

Let us know. My dealer just received a '16 X5 M and it has Michelins. It will be interesting to see how the early 2017s are outfitted.

Roundown · 08-03-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GNALUZU

No, it is luck of the draw on some. My '14 M5 has PZeros on it.

This is inaccurate. While it's been "luck of the draw" on many M-cars in the past, the launch of the F85 include specific references to the available 21" PSSs. You either get P-Zeros on the 20" or PSSs on the 21".

I suspect the OPs SA is being told he can't get a PSS before September and Michelin is stepping up to cover the replacement given their supply issue. I'd be shocked if they bailed on the size.

Luca42 · 08-03-2016, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Roundown

This is inaccurate. While it's been "luck of the draw" on many M-cars in the past, the launch of the F85 include specific references to the available 21" PSSs. You either get P-Zeros on the 20" or PSSs on the 21".

I suspect the OPs SA is being told he can't get a PSS before September and Michelin is stepping up to cover the replacement given their supply issue. I'd be shocked if they bailed on the size.

Roundown --

I really hope you are right. I like the Michelins. I will make that point to my SA tomorrow when they switch me to the Pirellis. If (and hopefully when) the Michelins are in supply again, I will go back in to my SA and ask that they switch me back to the Michelins. Clearly I would NOT have switched but for reliance that they were discontinued. The runflat Pirelli is not comparable to a Michelin tire specifically designed for our cars.

Roundown · 08-03-2016, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Luca42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roundown

This is inaccurate. While it's been "luck of the draw" on many M-cars in the past, the launch of the F85 include specific references to the available 21" PSSs. You either get P-Zeros on the 20" or PSSs on the 21".

I suspect the OPs SA is being told he can't get a PSS before September and Michelin is stepping up to cover the replacement given their supply issue. I'd be shocked if they bailed on the size.

Roundown --

I really hope you are right. I like the Michelins. I will make that point to my SA tomorrow when they switch me to the Pirellis. If (and hopefully when) the Michelins are in supply again, I will go back in to my SA and ask that they switch me back to the Michelins. Clearly I would NOT have switched but for reliance that they were discontinued. The runflat Pirelli is not comparable to a Michelin tire specifically designed for our cars.

Run flats will be miserable. Did they even attempt to patch?

onfireX5 · 08-03-2016, 10:19 PM

No way would I put a RF on a M. Not designed for it. Ride quality and handling will suffer.

Luca42 · 08-03-2016, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Roundown

Run flats will be miserable. Did they even attempt to patch?

It's in a location that cannot be patched. I would have opted for that over the four new tires.

That's what started the whole journey of finding one PSS and ending up with four Pirellis.

Luca42 · 08-03-2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by onfireX5

No way would I put a RF on a M. Not designed for it. Ride quality and handling will suffer.

I'm expecting that. I will confirm tomorrow.

I've already started looking at a 22" wheel to find a non RFT. The OEM 21 with PSS hits such a sweet spot in terms of aesthetics and performance.

Roundown · 08-04-2016, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Luca42

Quote:

Originally Posted by onfireX5

No way would I put a RF on a M. Not designed for it. Ride quality and handling will suffer.

I'm expecting that. I will confirm tomorrow.

I've already started looking at a 22" wheel to find a non RFT. The OEM 21 with PSS hits such a sweet spot in terms of aesthetics and performance.

Ask for a loaner and have Michelin make your lease/loan payment for the month.

Laki021 · 08-04-2016, 07:15 AM

The new Pirelli P Zero is anyway the best tire on the market at the moment, so that's the way to go...

http://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/c...ro#/size-range

JNoSol · 08-04-2016, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Laki021

The new Pirelli P Zero is anyway the best tire on the market at the moment, so that's the way to go...

http://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/c...ro#/size-range

Meh... Noisy and doesn't last as long. MPSS is the best for the money.

trev230 · 08-04-2016, 09:16 AM

I had the P Zero and it's nowhere near the quality of the PSS.

08-02-2016, 04:55 PM	#1
Luca42 Lieutenant 169 Rep 509 Posts Drives: AMG Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: US iTrader: (0)	No more Michelin PSSs for X5/X6 M? Has anyone heard that Michelin has decided to stop making the Pilot Super Sports (in 21") for our cars? Here's how I heard this from my SA: I have a slow leak in a front tire and take it in to the dealer to inspect. Sure enough, there is a nail embedded in the tire. I'm thinking that they will have to replace the tire (I have BMW's wheel and tire coverage). Instead, my SA comes back, asking I want "four Dunlop replacement tires or Bridgestones." What gives? He tells me several things: 1) he cannot find a single PSS in any warehouse in the country; 2) he has called BMW and they will apparently not use them for our cars; and 3) he calls Michelin, confirms that Michelin will not make the tire any longer and Michelin is prepared to pay for three tires of any brand to replace the three other tires I will need to replace. Long story short -- for $50, I'm getting four new tires (N.B., I discussed and my dealer is replacing them with the Pirellis in 21") Just wondering if anyone else has come across this. I did some independent research and no one has any in stock (Tire Rack, etc.). I had only 10k miles on my PSSs -- has anyone else had to replace and come across this issue? I'm just wondering because the Pirellis are a run-flat tire and I've not heard anything favorable about the Dunlops. I am a fan of the Michelins.
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trev230 Captain 348 Rep 604 Posts Drives: 2022 M5C Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC iTrader: (0)	They show available 8/26-Fronts and 9/30-Rears on Tire Rack. I know GMP in Charlotte said the tire is normally hard to get because one of the Porsche vehicles used the same exact size as the X5M 21" OEM setup This would suck if it is true. I specifically wanted 21" wheels for my car so I could run the Michelin PSS tire.
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trev230 Captain 348 Rep 604 Posts Drives: 2022 M5C Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC iTrader: (0)	The dunlop and Pirelli in those sizes are run flats. Maybe they were confused? I hope they are wrong. I love the performance of this tire. Last edited by trev230; 08-02-2016 at 07:16 PM..
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GladiatorOwner Captain 177 Rep 642 Posts Drives: 22 M4C Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: NY iTrader: (1)	I ordered my X5M in mid June and received it by the end of June. X has 21s with MPSS. So if this is all true it must have happened within a month. I find this hard to believe Michelin wouldn't be staying with the M cars. They make a tire for all of them, not only the Xs.
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No more Michelin PSSs for X5/X6 M?

08-03-2016, 12:47 AM	#8
sos_73 Private 18 Rep 84 Posts Drives: BMW X5M F85 (2015) Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Switzerland iTrader: (0)	I don't think the Pirelli P-Zero are run-flat. I was on the Highway two weeks ago and I rode on a screw. I heard immediately a strange noise and the tire pressure indicator is immediately turned red. Hopfully it was near my house so I could arrive safe at home (less than 5km- 3miles). Arrived in my garage, all the air escapes the tire and in 30 seconds it was completely flat. As I live in Switzerland, we don't have the tire and wheel insurance so it cost me 625CHF (650USD) to replace the rear tire. My tire dealer could not find any Pirelli P-Zero in 325/35R20 108Y in Switzerland so he has to order one in France. So it seems that it is very difficult to find tires for our cars regardless of size and brand.
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gizmo958 Private First Class 51 Rep 193 Posts Drives: Evo IX, 17 X5M Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: LONDON iTrader: (0)	wish yokohama advan made tyres for the x5m . i have them on my evolution 9 (ix) and my lord they are physic defying
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onfireX5 Brigadier General 3618 Rep 4,532 Posts Drives: F90M5,F85X5M Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Va iTrader: (0)	No way would I put a RF on a M. Not designed for it. Ride quality and handling will suffer.
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Laki021 Lieutenant 367 Rep 454 Posts Drives: BMW 540i xDrive Join Date: May 2015 Location: Zurich iTrader: (0)	The new Pirelli P Zero is anyway the best tire on the market at the moment, so that's the way to go... http://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/c...ro#/size-range Last edited by Laki021; 08-04-2016 at 07:22 AM..
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trev230 Captain 348 Rep 604 Posts Drives: 2022 M5C Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC iTrader: (0)	I had the P Zero and it's nowhere near the quality of the PSS.
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