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      02-23-2017, 04:39 PM   #397
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Amen. I'd have to lease one at best. The price point makes me pray for a younger brother for both Boxster & Cayman. I guess they axed that idea, giving the 718 name away to the brothers instead.

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Price? I almost got a Boxster GTS about a year or so ago. But just couldn't stomach the almost $100k pricing, maintenance cost, etc. My Z4 was about $63k.

I for one don't mind a bit of comfort with my roadster.
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Has it really gone that high? I have 2014 35is with all the trimmings, out the door was 65k.

btw as someone mentioned they'd go to an f-type at that price....GOOD LUCK. I tried to get an equally equipped F-type and when it was all said and done I was looking at 93k. GTFO...BMW Z4 is the best bang for the buck for a lux roadster, and it can be daily driven...
My boss got the 340hp drop top model for $75k out the door.
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Ouch. That's a pretty large mark up since when I picked up mine. Sorry to hear that. I wonder I'd the f-type has risen as well. Thanks for the info!
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The toyo version is looking better to me than the bmw.
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Actually, the car doesn't look all that different to me than the current Z4. Yes, I know, it has a soft top, but besides that? Is that body cladding behind the front wheels or a "breather hole" like in the new 5 series?

That's actually not a bad thing, IMHO. I do like the exterior of the current Z4 a lot. If there are only evolutionary design changes (just like with the 5 series), that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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Actually, the car doesn't look all that different to me than the current Z4. Yes, I know, it has a soft top, but besides that? Is that body cladding behind the front wheels or a "breather hole" like in the new 5 series?

That's actually not a bad thing, IMHO. I do like the exterior of the current Z4 a lot. If there are only evolutionary design changes (just like with the 5 series), that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Anytime you see a car in the manufacturer's "camo", there's almost always some cladding also installed, which are flexible panels that are literally screwed into the body with sheet-metal screws. Up close it's pretty ugly. It's virtually impossible to determine the actual body shape, headlight shape or taillight shape. Only in the very late stages of development is the camo applied to the body panels, and those may not even be the final design. It's essentially useless to speculate on the design until the camo starts to come off.
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Hopefully it'll also be lightweight and handles like its on rails. The 2nd gen Z4 departed from the formula that made the first Z4 and Z3 so successful: compact, lightweight, relatively cheap, soft top, and true driver's car. 2nd gen Z4 get got bloated, expensive, and numb; and corporate wonders why nobody bought them? You ditched your customer base for your roadsters idiots.
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Hopefully it'll also be lightweight and handles like its on rails. The 2nd gen Z4 departed from the formula that made the first Z4 and Z3 so successful: compact, lightweight, relatively cheap, soft top, and true driver's car. 2nd gen Z4 get got bloated, expensive, and numb; and corporate wonders why nobody bought them? You ditched your customer base for your roadsters idiots.
Have you seen the pics? It's not small and compact. I'm guessing it'll be 3,600+ lbs
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Have you seen the car? It is smaller and more compact than you may even think. Carbon Fiber tub, ragtop, eMotor on the front axle, a lot to like.

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Have you seen the pics? It's not small and compact. I'm guessing it'll be 3,600+ lbs
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      03-31-2017, 01:58 PM   #407
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Not my renderings nor will they look this elongated, but speculation is rampant.
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Both the BMW and Supra pull heavily from the Zagato Coupe and Roadster concepts.
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The looks will be sweet I'm sure.

What's underneath not so much I'm expecting. Bmw should have gone to a smaller roadster like the z3. They are operating under this weird idea that it's ok to make the cars bigger and bigger as long as they lose weight to compensate. A stupid idea surely being pushed by marketers who totally miss what's between the lines. Roadsters are completely all about the drive, image and fun. Bmw is thinking like Toyota too much

Unfortunatly this car will likely not do well even if it's weights 1lb. They are just not thinking the right way right now for this type of car. Their thinking works better for a generic Camry type of car.
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Both the BMW and Supra pull heavily from the Zagato Coupe and Roadster concepts.
X2, I can also see it on the FT1 concept as well.


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Z5 will be the larger one. Against F Type and 911?
Z3 will be the lightest and hope RWD. Should be against TT and Boxster 😉
Can't wait to see some really driver focused products!🏎
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Z5 will be the larger one. Against F Type and 911?
Z3 will be the lightest and hope RWD. Should be against TT and Boxster 😉
Can't wait to see some really driver focused products!🏎
Are you sure? I thought there was just one coming..?
Read somewhere that with the arrival of 8, the 6 will become a little more sporty and smaller to compete against the 911.
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The looks will be sweet I'm sure.

What's underneath not so much I'm expecting. Bmw should have gone to a smaller roadster like the z3. They are operating under this weird idea that it's ok to make the cars bigger and bigger as long as they lose weight to compensate. A stupid idea surely being pushed by marketers who totally miss what's between the lines. Roadsters are completely all about the drive, image and fun. Bmw is thinking like Toyota too much

Unfortunatly this car will likely not do well even if it's weights 1lb. They are just not thinking the right way right now for this type of car. Their thinking works better for a generic Camry type of car.
Huh?
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Have you seen the pics? It's not small and compact. I'm guessing it'll be 3,600+ lbs
That weight would destroy its image and purpose
For comparison, the first z4 (and 3L z3's) only weighed ~2900lbs (dry). Thats what makes them such fun cars. With technology progressing (lightweight materials and production techniques over a 15 year timespan none the less), anything above that I would consider a failure.
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I believe awhile ago, Scott has said the new Z5 will be aimed at the F-Type. And than in an interview with EVO; Toyota's chief engineer has hinted their version has its eyes set on the Cayman.

Now rumor mill time.

Online rumors are saying there will be a smaller Z3 after the launch of the Z5. It will be built on a shorten Z5 chassis. Toyota may also use this for a second gen 86.

And the smallest Z1 is said to be built on the modular platform UKL1. Perhaps a reskin MINI Superleggera?

Rumors are also saying with a larger new 8 that the next gen 6 will be smaller and lighter, think 911 fighter.
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Anytime you see a car in the manufacturer's "camo", there's almost always some cladding also installed, which are flexible panels that are literally screwed into the body with sheet-metal screws. Up close it's pretty ugly. It's virtually impossible to determine the actual body shape, headlight shape or taillight shape. Only in the very late stages of development is the camo applied to the body panels, and those may not even be the final design. It's essentially useless to speculate on the design until the camo starts to come off.
TRUTH. people always underestimate the camo game
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Online rumors are saying there will be a smaller Z3 after the launch of the Z5. It will be built on a shorten Z5 chassis. Toyota may also use this for a second gen 86.

And the smallest Z1 is said to be built on the modular platform UKL1. Perhaps a reskin MINI Superleggera?
I can hardly believe that. The last z4 was a really poor seller at the end of its days, especially in the US. And over six months after production stopped there still isnt a successor ready.
For bmw this is a bad market segment in these days. I dont see them expanding this.
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