Life after X5M

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Google Hellcat Supercharger failure. I almost bought a Hellcat as a second car until I reviewed the SRT forum. The SC snout bearing has been redesigned a few times and there are still failures on the 2017. I'd pass the first model year of the TH to get the bugs out.

I've got 2.5 years left on my current lease so I should be all set.

[sworks335i]

Comparing a Jeep GC of any type to an X5M is lunacy and a complete joke, 707 HP or not. No where near the same league of vehicle even with "options".

[ctdw]

After owning a couple of Jeep products years ago, I would be concerned about service at those dealers...especially on a 100K vehicle.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by sworks335i

Comparing a Jeep GC of any type to an X5M is lunacy and a complete joke, 707 HP or not. No where near the same league of vehicle even with "options".

The comparison can easily be made. To deny the comparison is the actual lunacy.

A Jeep GC Summit can easily be compared against an X5 3.5. A Jeep GC SRT can be compared to an X5 5.0 and the TrackHawk can most definitely be compared to an X5M.

Just because you prefer one over the other doesn't make the comparison a joke or an act of lunacy.

[sworks335i]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

The comparison can easily be made. To deny the comparison is the actual lunacy.

How do you compare those as remotely the same vehicle? Have you owned a current generation GC?

[Ex_Stig]

If you read the additional text that I added you will see how the comparison can be made.

Yes, I have owned Jeeps and honestly would have bought the Jeep SRT over the X5 50 had the Jeep dealership not screwed up during negotiation.

I understand that this is a BMW board and understand that everyone here is a BMW fan. Hell, I've been driving them for over 20 years and have had 15 different BMWs over the last 18 years. I am pretty well qualified to say that the comparison can definitely be made.

If you don't believe me, or don't want to believe me, just wait until all the auto mags start to compare them.

[BMWOO7]

I'm in the same position. Have had my 2015 X5M for a couple years now and the lease is coming up in July of 2018.

We don't put allot of miles on our cars and as of this post our X5M has ~8200 miles since purchasing new in July of 2015.

Garage kept and as someone with a bad case of OCD, it's literally cleaner inside and out than the day I bought it.

Thinking about what to do when the lease comes up. Wife would like a new X3 M-Sport version, but thinking if I want to just keep the X5M.

Only concerns around keeping it would be warranty wise...

[sworks335i]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

If you read the additional text that I added you will see how the comparison can be made.

Yes, I have owned Jeeps and honestly would have bought the Jeep SRT over the X5 50 had the Jeep dealership not screwed up during negotiation.

I understand that this is a BMW board and understand that everyone here is a BMW fan. Hell, I've been driving them for over 20 years and have had 15 different BMWs over the last 18 years. I am pretty well qualified to say that the comparison can definitely be made.

If you don't believe me, or don't want to believe me, just wait until all the auto mags start to compare them.

The comparison you did is about the only comparison to be made. Saying engines/~HP numbers align up and down the model lineup is one thing. To say that the quality and spec of the vehicles are similar is another.

Having owned multiple BMWs of different generations and series (currently a 50i 2012 X5 and 2015 X5M) and multiple Jeeps (2 JKU's and 2014 Grand Cherokee) I don't consider the interior quality fit and finish anywhere near the quality in the X5M. Hell, 20 miles after leaving the dealership things quit working on the Grand Cherokee. Over the 15k miles I owned the vehicle there was constant problems and problems Jeep couldn't solve for not just me but tons of others in the forums.

Not to say that every brand doesn't have problems but the only vehicle I would remotely consider purchasing again from Jeep/Chrysler would be a Wrangler.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by sworks335i

The comparison you did is about the only comparison to be made. Saying engines/~HP numbers align up and down the model lineup is one thing. To say that the quality and spec of the vehicles are similar is another.

Having owned multiple BMWs of different generations and series (currently a 50i 2012 X5 and 2015 X5M) and multiple Jeeps (2 JKU's and 2014 Grand Cherokee) I don't consider the interior quality fit and finish anywhere near the quality in the X5M. Hell, 20 miles after leaving the dealership things quit working on the Grand Cherokee. Over the 15k miles I owned the vehicle there was constant problems and problems Jeep couldn't solve for not just me but tons of others in the forums.

Not to say that every brand doesn't have problems but the only vehicle I would remotely consider purchasing again from Jeep/Chrysler would be a Wrangler.

You're entitled to your own opinion. It doesn't mean that the comparisons won't/shouldn't be made. Just wait and see.

[sworks335i]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

You're entitled to your own opinion. It doesn't mean that the comparisons won't/shouldn't be made. Just wait and see.

Very true. Do you feel as though fit and finish of the GC is = to the X5 or X5M?

Everything I have seen so far has said it's tons of fun in a straight line but handles terribly because of the engine weight.

I guess my other struggle is I could never spend close to $100k for a Jeep. Especially after owning a GC and knowing the fit and finish. Just doesn't connect in my brain that that is something worth while.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by sworks335i

Very true. Do you feel as though fit and finish of the GC is = to the X5 or X5M?

Everything I have seen so far has said it's tons of fun in a straight line but handles terribly because of the engine weight.

I guess my other struggle is I could never spend close to $100k for a Jeep. Just doesn't connect in my brain that that is something worth while.

Time will tell on the TrackHawk. As for fit and finish, I think the the GC is pretty nice especially when equipped with the upgraded leather.

Handling will always be an issue for Jeep when comparing to the X5, but let's be honest, not many people are taking their SUVs to the track.

[LBBX5M]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Google Hellcat Supercharger failure. I almost bought a Hellcat as a second car until I reviewed the SRT forum. The SC snout bearing has been redesigned a few times and there are still failures on the 2017. I'd pass the first model year of the TH to get the bugs out.

The Grand Cherokee screams TRANSMISSION FAILURE for some reason.

[Yoyoniner]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

The comparison can easily be made. To deny the comparison is the actual lunacy.

A Jeep GC Summit can easily be compared against an X5 3.5. A Jeep GC SRT can be compared to an X5 5.0 and the TrackHawk can most definitely be compared to an X5M.

Just because you prefer one over the other doesn't make the comparison a joke or an act of lunacy.

I own both (X5M and top end GC with the Hemi). We love our Jeep, but there really is no comparison in overall build quality. Jeep is not the same tier as BMW. And don't get me started on the service/dealership experience differences we've had.

[eleven11]

Since no one has mentioned it, Porsche Panamera - near-unlimited versions/options. The look is subjective.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by sworks335i

Very true. Do you feel as though fit and finish of the GC is = to the X5 or X5M?

Everything I have seen so far has said it's tons of fun in a straight line but handles terribly because of the engine weight.

I guess my other struggle is I could never spend close to $100k for a Jeep. Especially after owning a GC and knowing the fit and finish. Just doesn't connect in my brain that that is something worth while.

Agreed. The Jeep is great as long as you are getting a Laredo or Limited and the sticker is under 43k. Over that, the poor dealership experience and lower quality car erase the value of the Jeep. To me, spending 90k on a car based on a 30k unit (base GC Laredo) is crazy.

[Ex_Stig]

Guys, I hear what you are saying, but proof of what is going on can be seen as far back as 1992 when Car & Driver compared the GMC Typhoon to a Ferrari 348.

Comparisons will always be made whether people agree with them or not.

[onfireX5]

Oh we can go back beyond 1992....

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-gto-road-test

[aas5]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

Guys, I hear what you are saying, but proof of what is going on can be seen as far back as 1992 when Car & Driver compared the GMC Typhoon to a Ferrari 348.

Comparisons will always be made whether people agree with them or not.

I could care less for such a comparison, even if someone decides to write one. I think what you are hearing from me and others is that we won't be making such comparisons. I can't imagine ever cross shopping a higher end BMW and an expensive Jeep. No offense to Jeep - I had a GC Limited 5.0 in 2001 and it was decent to drive - but it's no BMW. I seek a different overall ownership experience with a premium brand - look at what happened with VW Phaeton. So in my mind it's a lot more than just comparing numbers and interior quality. Frankly, I am surprised to even hear this argument.

[x5man]

Is anyone considering Tesla x p100d?

[iconoclast]

Nope.

[Yoyoniner]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

Guys, I hear what you are saying, but proof of what is going on can be seen as far back as 1992 when Car & Driver compared the GMC Typhoon to a Ferrari 348.

Comparisons will always be made whether people agree with them or not.

Agreed!

[m34SPD]

I got a W212 E63-S after the X5M, I'm going to stick with Mercedes after my lease is up. BMW needs to build better quality cars like they used to, these new cars have inferior quality compared to the competition.