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2017 X5 or the New Range Rover Sport?

What do you guys think. Like my 2017 but Range Rover looks so good and they have now Dynamic versions and new infotainment (also HUD). Interior in the Range looks awesome just worried a bit about not liking it after last 4 cars being BMWs so I kinda got used to them. Anyone thinking about new Range Rover Sport? Something sensible like diesel or 6cl petrol. Thanks
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What do you guys think. Like my 2017 but Range Rover looks so good and they have now Dynamic versions and new infotainment (also HUD). Interior in the Range looks awesome just worried a bit about not liking it after last 4 cars being BMWs so I kinda got used to them. Anyone thinking about new Range Rover Sport? Something sensible like diesel or 6cl petrol. Thanks
If leasing then I'd go with the RR. If owning for more than 3-4yrs then BMW
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The RRS looks like a Ford Explorer unless equipped in all the Supercharged or Autobiography regalia. The vehicle tech (even though new for this year) is out of date compared to BMW or any other Euro Marque. I am a diehard LR/RR fan but I would rather do a 2009 or a 2011 RRS-SC over any of the L494 out currently. (2009 for it's engine and 2011 because it is part of the refreshed face but was before they put in that awful navigation that operates at dial-up speeds.)
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What do you guys think. Like my 2017 but Range Rover looks so good and they have now Dynamic versions and new infotainment (also HUD). Interior in the Range looks awesome just worried a bit about not liking it after last 4 cars being BMWs so I kinda got used to them. Anyone thinking about new Range Rover Sport? Something sensible like diesel or 6cl petrol. Thanks
If leasing then I'd go with the RR. If owning for more than 3-4yrs then BMW
Thanks. I am bit leasing.
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The RRS looks like a Ford Explorer unless equipped in all the Supercharged or Autobiography regalia. The vehicle tech (even though new for this year) is out of date compared to BMW or any other Euro Marque. I am a diehard LR/RR fan but I would rather do a 2009 or a 2011 RRS-SC over any of the L494 out currently. (2009 for it's engine and 2011 because it is part of the refreshed face but was before they put in that awful navigation that operates at dial-up speeds.)
Was thinking autobiography package, pricey but it also offers a lot, euro car, so X5 apart from the mpackage offers little in terms of better price for a package, most extras are extra charge. Saw an autobiography yesterday and wa simply blown off inside and out how it looks. Saw the supercharged model also svr (not sure what it is called) and x5M is better looking but mpackage loaded compared to an autobiography looses imo. Also like huge wheels with RRS and fat tires. Should have booked a test drive to see how LR brand new navi, HUD and infotainment perform (along with the whole car). Perhaps steering feel is better than in the X5.
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Considering the Full Size AB starts at $140k you can expect the interior quality to be top notch but the tech is the same as in the base model except for the 1700w radio option and the navigation for rear passengers. The RRSC-SVR gets paint options which are exclusive to that trim level and some interior bits as well however all the same otherwise except for the boost in output. Sadly none of the RRS/RRS-SC or RR-SC have wide fat tires. 22x9.5 is the widest (iirc). Steering is not any better or any worse. It is the same style and feel.
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I actually had this same dilemma. The range rover sport was my dream car. While I could have afforded it, to me, $80,000 for a decent equipped RR sport was still just more than I wanted to spend on a car. Personally, I think they are more fun to drive than the X5, and I recently drove the 2017 RR sport but the tech is behind the X5. The giant empty dash has a decent screen now, but to me it is to far to reach to change settings. Everything in the X5 seems to be more in reach for me. The screen with cameras on the X5 is so much better. One quirk I hate about the RR is it is a little hard to see out the back window. The head rests are always in the way. You cant move them out of the way, you have to remove them completely. I ended up getting a 2017 Carbon black X5 with black rims and am very happy with it, except for some glitches in the software. I am not even using the apply car play for now because I believe it is not working right.
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I actually had this same dilemma. The range rover sport was my dream car. While I could have afforded it, to me, $80,000 for a decent equipped RR sport was still just more than I wanted to spend on a car. Personally, I think they are more fun to drive than the X5, and I recently drove the 2017 RR sport but the tech is behind the X5. The giant empty dash has a decent screen now, but to me it is to far to reach to change settings. Everything in the X5 seems to be more in reach for me. The screen with cameras on the X5 is so much better. One quirk I hate about the RR is it is a little hard to see out the back window. The head rests are always in the way. You cant move them out of the way, you have to remove them completely. I ended up getting a 2017 Carbon black X5 with black rims and am very happy with it, except for some glitches in the software. I am not even using the apply car play for now because I believe it is not working right.
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I actually had this same dilemma. The range rover sport was my dream car. While I could have afforded it, to me, $80,000 for a decent equipped RR sport was still just more than I wanted to spend on a car. Personally, I think they are more fun to drive than the X5, and I recently drove the 2017 RR sport but the tech is behind the X5. The giant empty dash has a decent screen now, but to me it is to far to reach to change settings. Everything in the X5 seems to be more in reach for me. The screen with cameras on the X5 is so much better. One quirk I hate about the RR is it is a little hard to see out the back window. The head rests are always in the way. You cant move them out of the way, you have to remove them completely. I ended up getting a 2017 Carbon black X5 with black rims and am very happy with it, except for some glitches in the software. I am not even using the apply car play for now because I believe it is not working right.
Thank you. You've driven the 2017 RRS and still opted for the X5 for reasons that are important to me.
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I like the seats in the Range Rover. Very comfy. However for long trips, the command seating can be tiresome mainly for the driver. I don't like the styling of the RRS as much however as the full size one. I mean you sort of get a lot of the good stuff from the full size model, just in a smaller vehicle [and cheaper price].

I have not sat in the latest ones with the updated infotainment, but JLR always seems behind compared to the other luxury marques.
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I actually had this same dilemma. The range rover sport was my dream car. While I could have afforded it, to me, $80,000 for a decent equipped RR sport was still just more than I wanted to spend on a car. Personally, I think they are more fun to drive than the X5, and I recently drove the 2017 RR sport but the tech is behind the X5. The giant empty dash has a decent screen now, but to me it is to far to reach to change settings. Everything in the X5 seems to be more in reach for me. The screen with cameras on the X5 is so much better. One quirk I hate about the RR is it is a little hard to see out the back window. The head rests are always in the way. You cant move them out of the way, you have to remove them completely. I ended up getting a 2017 Carbon black X5 with black rims and am very happy with it, except for some glitches in the software. I am not even using the apply car play for now because I believe it is not working right.
Also ordered Carbon Black now. Cheers
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The head rests are always in the way. You cant move them out of the way, you have to remove them completely.
same complaints here on the sport. on the previous versions i owned the best part about the rear seat was the headrest went very low almost to the shoulder line... once they phased that out it the rear visibility suffered.

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My wife has a 2016 Full Size Range Rover Diesel (Not Sport) and I own a 2016 X5 M Sport Diesel. I know OP is asking about the Range Rover Sport (RRS) and not the full size but I have quite a bit of experience with RRS as I've owned 2 in the past. There is something about Range Rovers that is special that I can't really explain what it is. The seating position is one that no other brand in my opinion delivers. It is a very commanding seat and you feel very prim and proper in it, maybe its the British in it?!?

That said, even from the outside. There is something that just looks so good on both the RR and RRS, especially when configured with the nice 22" wheels. Our 2016 still has the older tech/infotainment system but we have ordered a 2017 for my wife to replace her 2016 and it should be here any day now and I am told (and have read online) the tech is finally where it should be, or at least closer to where it should be for a vehicle at this price point.

I love my X5 because it does everything well and I have no complaints. The tech in my X5 is far better but the truth is, I would have a RRS over my X5 just for the looks itself. While I do think my X5 looks good in all black, with the M Sport package. a RRS with the 22" wheels looks much cooler in my opinion. Here is a pic from this past weekend with my wife's 2016 Range Rover full size that I think totally captures what is so good looking about the RR line up.
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That said, even from the outside. There is something that just looks so good on both the RR and RRS, especially when configured with the nice 22" wheels.
There are very little other cars that command the presence and stance of a [full size] Range Rover. In fact the Range Rover is probably one of the best in the luxury SUV market. The G-class is also very commanding, but the interior is way too cramped and the ride is so harsh it's impossible for long trips and this on the G500/G550. The G63/G65 is worse. The Cayenne, ML/GLE, Q7, and X5 are more in the sporty and crossover category and shouldn't really be shopped together with the Range Rover, and more with the RRS. But in my opinion although the RRS takes many of what's good on the full size model they had cut back on a lot of the exterior styling especially that rear end in their effort to cheapen the model.
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I had the same dilemma and took about 6 months to decide. I really liked the RRS but I started seeing them everywhere. In the end I couldn't justify the full autobiography, options & stealth to distinguish it from the rest. So I opted for the BMW in Carbon Black, it was a cheaper deal with more bhp, so I loaded it with options and got the stealthy look I was after with black 469s and swapped out the titanium grille for a black one. Gives it quite a mean look.

Now I how I laugh at these premiere league wannabes in their RRS's! (except when I see a stealthy one)
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I just went though this myself. I had a Supercharged Dynamic RRS on order.

Then I drove the X5 M Sport package. To me, there is no comparison. Now, to be fair, I drove a 2016 Supercharged, I have not yet driven the Dynamic version.

That said, the 2016 SC RRS compared to the X5 is a no brainer. The X5 is so much fun it is friggin crazy. Mine also has DHP so that might add to the incredible drive.

The X5 actually, IMHO drives like a car. The RRS drives like an SUV, and a big one. Don't get me wrong, the RRS is really a special car and it does drive very nicely. I loved it. But it also stuck out and caused a lot of attention.

The X5 does as well, but not nearly so much.

Looks wise, it depends on how each is set up. I personally don't love the X5 unless it is equipped with the M Sport package. I also don't love the base RRS. But when both are hooked up, both look fantastic. Someone posted that the RRS kind of looks like a Ford Explorer. That is kind of true IMHO.

I think they are both very attractive.

X5 has much better tech.

Similarly equipped, the X5 is about 10k less.
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There are very little other cars that command the presence and stance of a [full size] Range Rover.
It's funny you say that because they call that the "Command View" with the stadium seating in the rear and the tall height of the front seats. The vehicle itself is quite tall despite losing three inches from the L322 version.

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But in my opinion although the RRS takes many of what's good on the full size model they had cut back on a lot of the exterior styling especially that rear end in their effort to cheapen the model.
Agreed; The styling on the L494 is so bland. I would rather own a 2011 RRS-SC over a '14+ or if you want pre-DI then a 2009 while heavily dated it is just a very well rounded vehicle especially if only for local winter duty or shuffling kids to and from school/extra curricular activities.




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My wife has a 2016 Full Size Range Rover Diesel (Not Sport) and I own a 2016 X5 M Sport Diesel. I know OP is asking about the Range Rover Sport (RRS) and not the full size but I have quite a bit of experience with RRS as I've owned 2 in the past. There is something about Range Rovers that is special that I can't really explain what it is. The seating position is one that no other brand in my opinion delivers. It is a very commanding seat and you feel very prim and proper in it, maybe its the British in it?!?

That said, even from the outside. There is something that just looks so good on both the RR and RRS, especially when configured with the nice 22" wheels. Our 2016 still has the older tech/infotainment system but we have ordered a 2017 for my wife to replace her 2016 and it should be here any day now and I am told (and have read online) the tech is finally where it should be, or at least closer to where it should be for a vehicle at this price point.

I love my X5 because it does everything well and I have no complaints. The tech in my X5 is far better but the truth is, I would have a RRS over my X5 just for the looks itself. While I do think my X5 looks good in all black, with the M Sport package. a RRS with the 22" wheels looks much cooler in my opinion. Here is a pic from this past weekend with my wife's 2016 Range Rover full size that I think totally captures what is so good looking about the RR line up.
I was considering the RRS TD6 too. But what made me shy away is that similar diesel emissions equipment that is prone to failure on the X5 may also fail on the RR. Then on top of that, I heard the RR's simply are not that reliable.

As a past RR owner, have you had reliability issues? What's the longest you've owned of any RR model, or rather what's the oldest RR you've owned relative to the model year?

I get the sense a lot of people who lease RR's won't have problems, but the long-term owners generally will see much more stuff pop up. I suppose for me RR is just an unknown in terms of quality.

All that considered, I settled on a preowned E70 X5d with CPO.
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I was considering the RRS TD6 too. But what made me shy away is that similar diesel emissions equipment that is prone to failure on the X5 may also fail on the RR. Then on top of that, I heard the RR's simply are not that reliable.

As a past RR owner, have you had reliability issues? What's the longest you've owned of any RR model, or rather what's the oldest RR you've owned relative to the model year?

I get the sense a lot of people who lease RR's won't have problems, but the long-term owners generally will see much more stuff pop up. I suppose for me RR is just an unknown in terms of quality.

All that considered, I settled on a preowned E70 X5d with CPO.

RR reliability is a hit or miss topic IMO. I have owned 3 and will be picking up our 4th next week.

1st - 2011 RR Sport Autobiography - Bought brand new - Owned for almost 2 years - No major issues, they had to replace the air bags twice due to faulty bags both times. No other issues whatsoever!

2nd- 2013 RR Sport (HSE, non supercharged V8)- Bought 1 year old- Owned for almost 2 years - No major issues, besides they had to replace something under the hood and the bolt broke as they were removing it and it took 2 weeks to get the bolt removed properly and replaced. No other issues whatsoever!

3rd - 2016 RR Diesel (aka Full Size, aka The Big Boy) - Bought brand new - Owned for almost a year and a half and being replaced next week with the exact car except a 2017 model with the highly needed new tech/infotainment system. Had some issues in the beginning, but it was sorted out by the service and no other issues or problems since. We loved this vehicle!!!
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I owned similar models and they were effected by water pump recall, brake hose recall and rocking driver's seat and flickering surround view cameras. Nothing that was too crazy and resolved with one visit. 2017+ seem to be having software issues regarding the AEB and the new infotainment system.
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RR reliability is a hit or miss topic IMO. I have owned 3 and will be picking up our 4th next week.

1st - 2011 RR Sport Autobiography - Bought brand new - Owned for almost 2 years - No major issues, they had to replace the air bags twice due to faulty bags both times. No other issues whatsoever!

2nd- 2013 RR Sport (HSE, non supercharged V8)- Bought 1 year old- Owned for almost 2 years - No major issues, besides they had to replace something under the hood and the bolt broke as they were removing it and it took 2 weeks to get the bolt removed properly and replaced. No other issues whatsoever!

3rd - 2016 RR Diesel (aka Full Size, aka The Big Boy) - Bought brand new - Owned for almost a year and a half and being replaced next week with the exact car except a 2017 model with the highly needed new tech/infotainment system. Had some issues in the beginning, but it was sorted out by the service and no other issues or problems since. We loved this vehicle!!!
I appreciate this recounting of your experience and it's helpful. But if anything, this simply speaks about owning a brand new RR and dumping it after 3 years when the warranty is up....

I'm more in the boat of buying a 3 year old RR, potentially out of warranty/CPO, that's what I'm most worried about. With BMWs, to me, it's a known quantity. I know where to buy cheaper OE parts, I know indy shops, I know how to do diagnostics or know people with tools to do diagnostics, etc...so I suppose, there's not enough info in this thread to make me feel any more comfortable going to a RR.

Don't get me wrong, I know BMWs are just as problematic. But I've had a fantastic experience owning my M3 and a so-so experience owning my X5d. All things considered, I'll probably be a lifelong BMW owner.

BTW, my replacement SUV will likely be a X5 40e.
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I was also interested in the RR but I keep my cars for more then 5 years. I agree it looks amazing but it's not very reliable so had to go X5! Gluck u can't go wrong with the RR that's if ur leasing it.
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