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      06-25-2013, 09:11 PM   #45
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Ironic statement coming from someone who would spend thousands more for a hybrid to get a few miles per gallon better mileage. I have yet to see a hybrid that makes financial sense.
Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Prius, and Highlander to name a few only cost a few grand more and save more than $1000 a year in fuel. They easily pay for themselves in five years.

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Your Q7 hybrid will weigh additional 500lb on top of already-fat-5400Lb base model to save you 2-3mpg
That would push Q7 to atleast 1000Lb difference with X5d
Now lets see what's more fun to drive and gets better milage
I thought the new Q7 was aluminum and going to be significantly lighter than the X5?

I drive a $80,000 GL450 with plastic seats that gets 16mpg and there is nothing vaguely interesting about the driving experience. I would rather get 28mpg and save money for extra tires for the track car. I just don't understand soaking six figures into a SUV.
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      06-25-2013, 09:22 PM   #46
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Haven any of you priced out a Cayenne? You won't get past wheels and interior without adding $10k in options.
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      06-25-2013, 10:18 PM   #47
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Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Prius, and Highlander to name a few only cost a few grand more and save more than $1000 a year in fuel. They easily pay for themselves in five years.
So, at best, the most optimistic examples might break even in five years. As I said, doesn't make financial sense. Most people who can afford new cars of this sort don't keep cars for more than five years anyway, and if they do, what condition is the battery in at that point? Hybrids are an emotional, feel good purchase, which is fine as long as it's recognized as such. Most of us purchase based on what makes us feel good, otherwise we would all be in identical little white appliance cars. It just amuses me how much people fool themselves into justifying hybrids as an intelligent purchase, then try to convince the rest of us. New technologies are evolving, R and D is advancing the tech forward, slowly, and it will probably get there in the foreseeable future, but it's not quite there yet.
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money money money ...greed, avarice
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      06-26-2013, 08:58 AM   #49
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Overpriced. Another car that was overpriced especially considering the same engine choices as previous generation. Shame....
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Haven any of you priced out a Cayenne? You won't get past wheels and interior without adding $10k in options.
Sure. Based on my math the spread between a Cayenne GTS and the new x5 5.0 (guessed price with options) the spread is 5-10k maximum. That smaller spread combined with BMW's constant softening of their cars will lead people like me to consider the Porsche instead. Unless you are leasing, the Porsche will appeal to a person who buys the car for performance. BMW is becoming more and more like Mercedes...
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Haven any of you priced out a Cayenne? You won't get past wheels and interior without adding $10k in options.
Yes, I have, and I bought one. It's not all that much more expensive than a well equipped X5 35d is, and that's more or less apples to apples. Difference is less than $10k.
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You can easily add another 30-50% of the base price of any Porsche in options. They are endless!
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Yes, I have, and I bought one. It's not all that much more expensive than a well equipped X5 35d is, and that's more or less apples to apples. Difference is less than $10k.
$10k is what people are bitching about. My point is your not going to get into a Porsche for the same amount, same options, same performane.

50i vs a GTS is a close comparison but your still talking 10% higher vehicle price. And when you look at the 35 with the same options as a Cayenne your talking 15%+ more expensive and correct me if I'm wrong but your paying for service too. I think the prices are getting crazy but people that are going Porsche are not doing it because its a better deal.
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Yes, I have, and I bought one. It's not all that much more expensive than a well equipped X5 35d is, and that's more or less apples to apples. Difference is less than $10k.
$10k is what people are bitching about. My point is your not going to get into a Porsche for the same amount, same options, same performane.

50i vs a GTS is a close comparison but your still talking 10% higher vehicle price. And when you look at the 35 with the same options as a Cayenne your talking 15%+ more expensive and correct me if I'm wrong but your paying for service tool dn at least in MN your not going to get as good of a deal from the dealer. I too think the prices are getting crazy but people that are going Porsche are not doing it because it makes better financial sense.
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Wow... $5k jump? Fully loaded, this thing will hit $95,000.
At ~$70k or above, I'd take any Cayenne variants. X5 is going downhill in terms of aesthetics IMO.
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Wow. I'm really surprised at the greed of BMW. One of my biggest peeves about 2013 pricing was that they severely limited your choice of options artificially if you went with the base $47k model. You had to jump to the $56k premium model to gain access to the other option. Now they have taken it further and eliminated the base $47k to boost their average selling price. I really hope they fall flat on their face and the x5 doesn't sell well.

I'm going to have to see what the pricing comes out to with the options I want. I already suspect it's going to come out a lot higher than the 2013 model. If so, then I'm going to have to look into other options besides the X5.

To compare the 2013 and 2014 pricing, I think you have to compare the 2013 $56k premium with the 2014 $56k awd base. For reference, here's the difference in included options:

2013: premium trim
Nevada leather, wood trim
Park distance control
Panoramic moonroof
Front heated seats
Automatic tailgate
Memory for steering wheel and outside mirrors
4way lumbar support
19" vs 18" wheels
Power adjustable steering column
Ambiance lighting
Auto dimming rear view / power folding mirrors
Privacy glass in rear windows

Navigation is offered as an option for $1900

2014 base awd
Navigation
BMW apps
BMW assist
Updated power steering
Automatic start / stop

Right off the bat, it looks like the 2014 included options pale in comparison to the 2013 included options. This is not looking good for me .....
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