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      11-20-2013, 12:17 PM   #45
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You can turn the HUD off.
Yeah I know, but it's still $1500 for the extended cluster which should be standard in a car starting at $95 000 before options....
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      11-20-2013, 01:20 PM   #46
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not sure if i'm late to the discussion but i have the LCD display with driver assist pkg (not plus) with HUD
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      11-20-2013, 01:23 PM   #47
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So, I have no idea why, but I have the LCD display with NO driver assist pkg, but I did order and have the HUD.
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      11-20-2013, 05:48 PM   #48
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Driver assist package (not plus) will get extended LCD display on 35i.
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      11-20-2013, 07:23 PM   #49
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Driver assist package (not plus) will get LCD display.
The extended display, like in the very first post, or the "shortened" version like in the second post of this thread? Referring to the bottom LCD area. See attached. Does "Driver Assist" package (NOT Plus) receive the top or bottom style?
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      11-20-2013, 07:35 PM   #50
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It appears to be dependent on the engine model in the US.
You will get extended LCD if your build meet these conditions:

35i/35d
  • Driver Assistant Package and/or Driver Assistance Plus
50i
  • Executive Package and/or Driver Assistance Plus

You can see the difference in dashes by simply configuring on bmwusa.com
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      11-20-2013, 08:37 PM   #51
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The extended display, like in the very first post, or the "shortened" version like in the second post of this thread? Referring to the bottom LCD area. See attached. Does "Driver Assist" package (NOT Plus) receive the top or bottom style?
Bottom.

I have the base version in the US and it's the top one (which I believe is the one step up from the base globally).
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      11-20-2013, 08:42 PM   #52
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I would not pay $1500 for Driver Assistant Package just to get the extended display but I am mad that BMW does not make it clear what you get when you choose their packages. Also, my CA did not tell me anything. Don't understand what is the big deal in just being transparent and telling exactly what the differences are among all packages. I am still pissed off that I ended up getting a silver roof bar without not having a clue I could get that in black. Again, the BMW "build your own" site is worthless.
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I would not pay $1500 for Driver Assistant Package just to get the extended display but I am mad that BMW does not make it clear what you get when you choose their packages. Also, my CA did not tell me anything. Don't understand what is the big deal in just being transparent and telling exactly what the differences are among all packages. I am still pissed off that I ended up getting a silver roof bar without not having a clue I could get that in black. Again, the BMW "build your own" site is worthless.
Honestly - he probably didn't know. Which is BS, for sure. Blows my mind that these guys miss the opportunity to up sell once they have the deal... With more guidance, I would have picked up the Driver's Assistance Package and Multi Contour Seats.
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      11-21-2013, 08:29 AM   #54
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I think a lot of the CA don't know about it. I was the one who told my CA about it and he said thanks for letting me know.

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I would not pay $1500 for Driver Assistant Package just to get the extended display but I am mad that BMW does not make it clear what you get when you choose their packages. Also, my CA did not tell me anything. Don't understand what is the big deal in just being transparent and telling exactly what the differences are among all packages. I am still pissed off that I ended up getting a silver roof bar without not having a clue I could get that in black. Again, the BMW "build your own" site is worthless.
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      11-21-2013, 12:03 PM   #55
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Again, not picking on BMW CA but what amazes me is that everytime I meet one to order a car the first thing they do is to go the "build your own" option on the BMW website. I would expect that they would have a better source to go over all options available and explain the pros and cons of not selecting a specific option. For example, if I knew the stupid dashboard would be "light dead" during the day just because BMW was being cheap and using a less techie instrument cluster if I did not pick Diver Assistant Plus I would then consider the value of the feature in a different way. As someone here said the CA missed an opportunity to sell me that option. I have a mixed feeling about my leasing spot since my lease always ends around November so I am always the guinea pig of getting the first units of the new model coming out and I usually know more about the new car than the CA.

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I think a lot of the CA don't know about it. I was the one who told my CA about it and he said thanks for letting me know.

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Again, not picking on BMW CA but what amazes me is that everytime I meet one to order a car the first thing they do is to go the "build your own" option on the BMW website. I would expect that they would have a better source to go over all options available and explain the pros and cons of not selecting a specific option. For example, if I knew the stupid dashboard would be "light dead" during the day just because BMW was being cheap and using a less techie instrument cluster if I did not pick Diver Assistant Plus I would then consider the value of the feature in a different way. As someone here said the CA missed an opportunity to sell me that option. I have a mixed feeling about my leasing spot since my lease always ends around November so I am always the guinea pig of getting the first units of the new model coming out and I usually know more about the new car than the CA.
It all comes back to the web page. That thing needs a lot of work, imo. For a company the size of BMW, they should have a much better web page. One that shows you all the possible options and what each option does and looks like. Not to mention the bugs. How long did it take them to fix the DHP option bug?
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      11-21-2013, 04:45 PM   #57
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I think a lot of the CA don't know about it. I was the one who told my CA about it and he said thanks for letting me know.
Same here - my CA had no idea - neither did anyone else at the dealership. I informed him based on the information here on the forums and he validated based on the F15's they had on the lot.
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      11-21-2013, 08:30 PM   #58
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What exactly you confirmed by looking at the cars in the lot? 1) There are two different instrument clusters based on having or not having Driving Assistance Package or 2) That the extended LCD indeed has full white illumination during daytime including the needles on the speedometer and tachometer.

Please clarify. My dealer says there is no white illumination on the speedometer and tachometer in any version of the cluster.

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Same here - my CA had no idea - neither did anyone else at the dealership. I informed him based on the information here on the forums and he validated based on the F15's they had on the lot.
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      11-21-2013, 09:39 PM   #59
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What exactly you confirmed by looking at the cars in the lot? 1) There are two different instrument clusters based on having or not having Driving Assistance Package or 2) That the extended LCD indeed has full white illumination during daytime including the needles on the speedometer and tachometer.

Please clarify. My dealer says there is no white illumination on the speedometer and tachometer in any version of the cluster.
He only validated that all of 35i F15's on their lot with Driver Assistance (or DA Plus) had the extended display ... what remains to be seen is if F15 50i's with Executive Package and no DA also get the extended display (which would indicate that the HUD triggers the extended display.)

He did not mention, nor did I ask, about the white illumination.
This is what he is telling me - I have not validated this myself.
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I have a F15 50i with the extended display:
Executive Package
NO Driver Assist packages at all.
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I have a F15 50i with the extended display:
Executive Package
NO Driver Assist packages at all.
Interesting - good info thanks for sharing - so it looks like, as previously mentioned here a few posts above, that Executive Pkg. on 50i does trigger the extended panel without Driver Assist.
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So you guys have been following the "instrument cluster gate" here and I told how frustrated I was that I was not told the car I was ordering would not come with extended display. I clearly expressed my frustration to my CA and sent emails and twitter to several BMW addresses I found in the US and Germany. I still cannot believe that they could not make that transparent to customers when they order a $70k+ car. At least tell me that if I am not getting HUD I will get a cheap and crappy LCD instead of the one they show for you in the dealer. Then, it is my option to pay extra for that or not.

Well, after all the above, this morning I got a call from my dealer saying they would take my car back if I am not satisfied. HOWEVER (and this is a big however) the next production date they have to offer me is for late February 2014 so I would not get my "desired" car until March 2013. According to him all the allocations they have until that date are taken and people are paying deposits to secure a slot. Well, I cannot tell my wife to rent a car for almost 4 months because I am pissed they screw up the instrument cluster. Well, whatever!!! I will enjoy the car the way it is.

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Interesting - good info thanks for sharing - so it looks like, as previously mentioned here a few posts above, that Executive Pkg. on 50i does trigger the extended panel without Driver Assist.
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So you guys have been following the "instrument cluster gate" here and I told how frustrated I was that I was not told the car I was ordering would not come with extended display. I clearly expressed my frustration to my CA and sent emails and twitter to several BMW addresses I found in the US and Germany. I still cannot believe that they could not make that transparent to customers when they order a $70k+ car. At least tell me that if I am not getting HUD I will get a cheap and crappy LCD instead of the one they show for you in the dealer. Then, it is my option to pay extra for that or not.

Well, after all the above, this morning I got a call from my dealer saying they would take my car back if I am not satisfied. HOWEVER (and this is a big however) the next production date they have to offer me is for late February 2014 so I would not get my "desired" car until March 2013. According to him all the allocations they have until that date are taken and people are paying deposits to secure a slot. Well, I cannot tell my wife to rent a car for almost 4 months because I am pissed they screw up the instrument cluster. Well, whatever!!! I will enjoy the car the way it is.
Interesting they would offer you that, nice of BMW to do that!

But why can't they just swap the instrument cluster to the LCD? Would that not be easier/cheaper if you pay for the upgrade?
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I asked that and he told me I had to talk to the service department. Forget it!!!! It will be the same people that first told me to bring the car in for repair (because the white lights were not turning on) and later told me that none of the X5 light the cluster in white. I will keep the car as it is.



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Interesting they would offer you that, nice of BMW to do that!

But why can't they just swap the instrument cluster to the LCD? Would that not be easier/cheaper if you pay for the upgrade?
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Sorry to hear about the clusters. Perhaps send an email to the new guy, just cut and paste from your other communications. Who says that they cannot put in a priority production, explained that you have already waited once and silly to wait again. I always say every year there is new stuff so I can never stay on top. In Canada we cannot get many items that Europe has or even what you guys get in US. Also, price wise we are in between Europe & US. Also, ask your dealer for a good deal on a loaner. Anyhow, just some suggestions.



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Tks for the suggestion. I asked if he could talk to BMW and get me in a priority list but he said he can't. He mentioned that many orders made in November are on a "hold" because of supply issues with cameras and tires. I am OK with the car as it is. As you said you can never keep it up since every year there is an update. This car is a lease and in 3 years I will be more careful when ordering a new car.


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Sorry to hear about the clusters. Perhaps send an email to the new guy, just cut and paste from your other communications. Who says that they cannot put in a priority production, explained that you have already waited once and silly to wait again. I always say every year there is new stuff so I can never stay on top. In Canada we cannot get many items that Europe has or even what you guys get in US. Also, price wise we are in between Europe & US. Also, ask your dealer for a good deal on a loaner. Anyhow, just some suggestions.



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