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      08-22-2013, 04:21 PM   #23
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^^ Not sure if there is any value in regular hybrid
On such car fuel savings are going to be minimal
If i cant plug it in into my wall - i dont want it
Cost will never break even with fuel savings
This, on the other hand, makes total sense
I can commute every day, plus run some errands fuel free 365 days a year
Heck, i might not even need to stop at the gas station more than once a month
Exactly. I've said for several years now that a "regular" hybrid just doesn't make economic sense. Not good enough mileage improvement to justify the cost of the extra hardware. And fully electric aren't fully there yet for most people. But make it a "plug-in" hybrid and suddenly there is great potential. Depending on your situation and the design of the car (big enough battery and electric motor) you get the best of both worlds and none of the major downsides of either.
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Range, power and pricing?
I do not look at them as problems

Range:
19 miles is good for many (if not majority) people who commute to work or drive kids to whatever
And if that's not enough, 4-cyl Turbo will make sure you'll get to your destination with fewer fuel drops
19mil is good enough for me though, as i drive 12 miles a day commuting

Power:
4-cyl turbo + edrive will be roughly at 360hp+ (assuming it has n20 engine)
that's much better than 35i and possibly better experience due to instant low-end electric motor TQ.

Price:
hard to say, but if we take differences between AHs vs 35i's and 28i's vs 35i's
It may be closer to 35i, than anything else
But just think of the savings and avoided trips to the pump
Not to mention lack of fumes in your garage and quiet roll out
One of the best posts I've read yet. Very open to change.
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really liking the idea of being able to go to the grocery store or work and back without even starting the engine (correct me if i read wrong).

put the 4.4 twin turbo into this hybrid and i'll buy it. doubt they will though, lol.
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Range, power and pricing?
I do not look at them as problems

Range:
19 miles is good for many (if not majority) people who commute to work or drive kids to whatever
And if that's not enough, 4-cyl Turbo will make sure you'll get to your destination with fewer fuel drops
19mil is good enough for me though, as i drive 12 miles a day commuting

Power:
4-cyl turbo + edrive will be roughly at 360hp+ (assuming it has n20 engine)
that's much better than 35i and possibly better experience due to instant low-end electric motor TQ.

Price:
hard to say, but if we take differences between AHs vs 35i's and 28i's vs 35i's
It may be closer to 35i, than anything else
But just think of the savings and avoided trips to the pump
Not to mention lack of fumes in your garage and quiet roll out
Well, if THAT'S the vehicle we'll be looking at....where do I sign the order?

With "problems" I was referring to issues that this technology had 'til now. After all, there simply is currently no vehicle on the market that can deliver what you just described.
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And what is the price for all of this tech?
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hard to say, but if we take differences between AHs vs 35i's and 28i's vs 35i's
It may be closer to 35i, than anything else...
Found this article in Germany:

http://www.bild.de/auto/auto-news/hy...2834.bild.html

They are estimating that the price could be somewhere close to 80,000 Euros (as a comparison, the 35i costs 60,000 Euros).
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Lets hope it's a bad estimate
Even though US pricing is different, still, pretty steep estimated premium over 35i
It's gotta be less than that, or it won't make sense
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