Cross Shopping X5?

[chiplee]

I'm starting to wonder how anyone looking to lease who's willing to live with 5 seats and wants a plug in hybrid wouldn't just get the XC60 T8. 4300lbs and 400hp/470tq? Under 60k? Suitable hold over until the next gen X5 brings something compelling. If people don't jump ship from time to time there's no pressure on these manufacturers to up the ante.

[BMWBIASED]

Originally Posted by wedge000

Wow, I wonder what it's like for a 2018? I'm still a few months away from needing to get serious, but I may come back and hit you up. I'm in PA, so NY/NJ/CT is possible. Thanks!

I've seen 7-8% off MSRP before taxes/fees on Swedesport. My impression is even with 18's, Volvo is making a big push to take market share from the X5, GLE, Q7 crowd.

No worries, happy to help as even though my wife thinks I'm nuts spending time on the forum, it has given me a lot of insight in this process. Drop me a line whenever.

[BMWBIASED]

Originally Posted by chiplee

I'm starting to wonder how anyone looking to lease who's willing to live with 5 seats and wants a plug in hybrid wouldn't just get the XC60 T8. 4300lbs and 400hp/470tq? Under 60k? Suitable hold over until the next gen X5 brings something compelling. If people don't jump ship from time to time there's no pressure on these manufacturers to up the ante.

When we went to pick up my wife's car, they had one in the showroom and it really is a giant leap forward from the previous gen. I can't speak to much more than aesthetics but given the price point, I'd agree with you.

[chiplee]

Originally Posted by BMWBIASED

When we went to pick up my wife's car, they had one in the showroom and it really is a giant leap forward from the previous gen. I can't speak to much more than aesthetics but given the price point, I'd agree with you.

I think there's more to it than Aesthetics with the XC60, and aesthetics is about the only remaining thing BMW has on Volvo when comparing the X5 to the XC90. Even that gap was narrowed significantly with this most recent redesign by Volvo. The XC90 list of standard features is impressive, and includes things we pay through the nose for like comfort access, active cruise control, lane departure warning (pilot assist), blind spot detection, 3rd row seating. Packages and options are arguably more tailorable to specific tastes. Don't even start on the 400hp/472tq option with 50%+ more EV range, and faster charging. I completely agree Volvo has aggressively gone after X5/GLE market share. With current incentives this one is $65k, adds surround view, hud, inscription trim level. What? https://www.volvocars.com/configurat...aign=vbs_share

[DuSh]

Originally Posted by chiplee

I think there's more to it than Aesthetics with the XC60, and aesthetics is about the only remaining thing BMW has on Volvo when comparing the X5 to the XC90. Even that gap was narrowed significantly with this most recent redesign by Volvo. The XC90 list of standard features is impressive, and includes things we pay through the nose for like comfort access, active cruise control, lane departure warning (pilot assist), blind spot detection, 3rd row seating. Packages and options are arguably more tailorable to specific tastes. Don't even start on the 400hp/472tq option with 50%+ more EV range, and faster charging. I completely agree Volvo has aggressively gone after X5/GLE market share. With current incentives this one is $65k, adds surround view, hud, inscription trim level. What? https://www.volvocars.com/configurat...aign=vbs_share

Isn't that only 18 EV miles and you need to have a 240Volt charger to charge it in 3 hours, if not it's 6 hours. I mean I'm not sure if it's something thrilling to have 18 miles only. I also think these 18 on paper EV miles will be less in real life. I bet taking couple of WOTs and you are down to 10-11 miles?

I don't think people will look into EV seriously unless they can at least get to work safely and back. Wake me up when it will be at least 40-60 EV miles to begin with

[DuSh]

Originally Posted by BMWBIASED

When we went to pick up my wife's car, they had one in the showroom and it really is a giant leap forward from the previous gen. I can't speak to much more than aesthetics but given the price point, I'd agree with you.

I'm still trying to find any aesthetics in this
IMHO 1st gen X5 looks better than this. Not to ofend any Volvo die hard fans here (on our BMW forum), but this XC60 T8 reminds me it will look good among Toyota or Honda run of the mill cars

Or maybe I'm just not understanding some secret Sweden beauty? Or wait, or is it Chinese now? Whatever

[Geddy]

We recently narrowed our choices down to the X5, Q7, and XC90. Q7 finished third, the boring exterior and dealer refusing to come off of MSRP eliminated it quickly. We did like the interior and power from the V6 though.

It was close between the X5 and Q7, my wife liking both with her preference the XC90 slightly and me preferring the X5. Since the car is for her we tried to work a deal on an XC90 but they wanted close to MSRP and offered wholesale on her trade-in, and we're not doing that, so off to BMW we went. We quickly struck a deal for 7% off MSRP and the trade-in was $2K higher than the others, so we ended up with the X5, which should arrive in the next week or two.

All three are very nice SUV's that we could see ourselves living with for the next several years. Each has its pros and cons but you really can't go wrong with any of them. Since I am into cars the X5 appealed to me most as it drove the sportiest and looked best to me. It may be a little dated now in the interior but it's held up well and looks great in the Mocha leather that we ordered.

[BMWBIASED]

Originally Posted by Geddy

We recently narrowed our choices down to the X5, Q7, and XC90. Q7 finished third, the boring exterior and dealer refusing to come off of MSRP eliminated it quickly. We did like the interior and power from the V6 though.

It was close between the X5 and Q7, my wife liking both with her preference the XC90 slightly and me preferring the X5. Since the car is for her we tried to work a deal on an XC90 but they wanted close to MSRP and offered wholesale on her trade-in, and we're not doing that, so off to BMW we went. We quickly struck a deal for 7% off MSRP and the trade-in was $2K higher than the others, so we ended up with the X5, which should arrive in the next week or two.

All three are very nice SUV's that we could see ourselves living with for the next several years. Each has its pros and cons but you really can't go wrong with any of them. Since I am into cars the X5 appealed to me most as it drove the sportiest and looked best to me. It may be a little dated now in the interior but it's held up well and looks great in the Mocha leather that we ordered.

Congrats. Surprised to hear your Volvo dealership didn't deal but as long as it works for your family, drive the X5 in good health. I'll certainly miss it for now.

[chiplee]

Originally Posted by DuSh

Isn't that only 18 EV miles and you need to have a 240Volt charger to charge it in 3 hours, if not it's 6 hours. I mean I'm not sure if it's something thrilling to have 18 miles only. I also think these 18 on paper EV miles will be less in real life. I bet taking couple of WOTs and you are down to 10-11 miles?

I don't think people will look into EV seriously unless they can at least get to work safely and back. Wake me up when it will be at least 40-60 EV miles to begin with

Whether or not it can get you to work all electric certainly will be a key factor. Even the 40e can get us to work and back on a single charge, and more than cover a day of weekend errands in our small town, so it's compelling for us, especially since I just DIY'd a 9.15kW solar PV install.

[chiplee]

Originally Posted by DuSh

I'm still trying to find any aesthetics in this
IMHO 1st gen X5 looks better than this. Not to ofend any Volvo die hard fans here (on our BMW forum), but this XC60 T8 reminds me it will look good among Toyota or Honda run of the mill cars

Or maybe I'm just not understanding some secret Sweden beauty? Or wait, or is it Chinese now? Whatever

You showed its bad side, which is the only side any of us non 50i X5 owners will ever see if it's a 400hp/472tq T8, so that's understandable.

[hyde]

Originally Posted by DuSh

Isn't that only 18 EV miles and you need to have a 240Volt charger to charge it in 3 hours, if not it's 6 hours. I mean I'm not sure if it's something thrilling to have 18 miles only. I also think these 18 on paper EV miles will be less in real life. I bet taking couple of WOTs and you are down to 10-11 miles?

I don't think people will look into EV seriously unless they can at least get to work safely and back. Wake me up when it will be at least 40-60 EV miles to begin with

Tell that to people who buy X5 40e... even smaller battery if I recall correctly, and small gas tank too.

[hyde]

Originally Posted by DuSh

I'm still trying to find any aesthetics in this
IMHO 1st gen X5 looks better than this. Not to ofend any Volvo die hard fans here (on our BMW forum), but this XC60 T8 reminds me it will look good among Toyota or Honda run of the mill cars

Or maybe I'm just not understanding some secret Sweden beauty? Or wait, or is it Chinese now? Whatever

It's still Swedish with Chinese money.