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      01-16-2014, 08:42 AM   #1
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Space Saver Spare option/Full-size spare

Interested in the new F15. I know RFTs are standard, but F15 does have the option of Space Saver Spare. I may change to non-RFTs when new set of tires are needed down the road. I have some questions, so far I have not found good answers yet.

Is the spare tire/wheel from Space Saver Spare a full-size or smaller donut one? If it's donut one, what is its mile range/speed limit? Can a full-size wheel/tire fit in the storage place with or without Space Saver Spare option.

Those questions might be easily answered by the folks who already own a F15 by looking and measuring.

Thank you in advance.
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its not fullsize tyre. I would not drive more than seventy miles and i would go no faster than 50 mph.
Fullsize tyre will not fit.
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I'm also considering the spare tire option as I may change to non RFT down the road if not immediately after the delivery. Looking at pics on this forum, it appeared the space saver spare is not a full sized tire.

This raises another consideration in the practicality and the actual use of spare tire. The wife will not be able to handle changing the spare; and I have done it with our E53 and it was a full sized spare. For me loosing the lugs with a hand tool was a battle to itself and took some time. So we are contemplating if a pump/repair kit would serve us better. However, the pump kit will be useless if the deflated tire does not have full contact with the rim.

We are also considering the 20” staggered setup. In this case, I am concern the donut tire being too small to be used in the back; replacing the 11” wide rim for obvious safety reasons. Does anyone have experience in this situation?

For us, our current thinking is to buy a pump/repair kit that the wife can handle and if the tire problem is bigger, than the motor club towing will be called.
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get the spare, you can always take it out if you need the space. I did and like knowing its there. There is still quite a bit of usable space with the spare in there for smaller items.
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      01-17-2014, 12:10 AM   #5
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[QUOTE=bim_power;15279872] The wife will not be able to handle changing the spare; and I have done it with our E53 and it was a full sized spare. For me loosing the lugs with a hand tool was a battle to itself and took some time. So we are contemplating if a pump/repair kit would serve us better. However, the pump kit will be useless if the deflated tire does not have full contact with the rim.
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Regarding wheel bolts... I would suggest buying a torque wrench. It's nearly impossible to expect any tire shop or mechanic anywhere to tighten wheel nuts to suggested torque. They almost always use an air gun and way overtighten. I'm not sure if it's the same on these SUV's, but my last couple of cars have been 88 ft/lbs. I always check the torque after I come home from having anything done where they took the wheels off and put them back on. Invariably, they are too tight. If they are torqued properly, any able bodied person should be able to loosen them with a typical hand tool without any problem at all. Never-seize can also be helpful and should be used on the bolts and the backside of the wheel where it fits on the hub.
That all being said, unless my wife was more mechanically enclined than the average woman, I would just tell her to make the call to the auto club. If you're paying for it, that's what it's for.
Regarding the donut tire vs. the 20" staggered setup, I don't think it makes any difference... If you end up having to put the donut on, you're limited to a pretty slow speed and total distance, regardless of whether you started out with 19" or 20". I agree with the advice to just get the spare. It's not much and you can always take it out if you want the space.
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Regarding wheel bolts... I would suggest buying a torque wrench. It's nearly impossible to expect any tire shop or mechanic anywhere to tighten wheel nuts to suggested torque. They almost always use an air gun and way overtighten. I'm not sure if it's the same on these SUV's, but my last couple of cars have been 88 ft/lbs. I always check the torque after I come home from having anything done where they took the wheels off and put them back on. Invariably, they are too tight. If they are torqued properly, any able bodied person should be able to loosen them with a typical hand tool without any problem at all. Never-seize can also be helpful and should be used on the bolts and the backside of the wheel where it fits on the hub.
That all being said, unless my wife was more mechanically enclined than the average woman, I would just tell her to make the call to the auto club. If you're paying for it, that's what it's for.
Regarding the donut tire vs. the 20" staggered setup, I don't think it makes any difference... If you end up having to put the donut on, you're limited to a pretty slow speed and total distance, regardless of whether you started out with 19" or 20". I agree with the advice to just get the spare. It's not much and you can always take it out if you want the space.
Thanks for the insight MysticBlue...

The spare is not an expensive option and it will offer a peace of mind, we will include it in our build. With the space saver spare, the interior linings for the wheel well is eliminated right?

I can also attest how the tire shop and motor club assistance can cause more headaches than its worth. In the same E53, the wife used the motor club for tire changing assistance, instead of towing. If we did not have the spare, the motor club would have to tow.. Anyhow, when she drove to a tire center, the shop broke a lug. Apparently the motor club mechanic overtightened the wheel and had stripped it. The deflated tire rim also have markings from the mechanic placing the rim face down on the ground. For this reason, I did not want a spare in the car so someone else could monkey with it... but for a peace of mind, having a spare is the right choice.
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I think its much better to just have a full-size spare so you don't worry about how long in therms of both miles and time before you can have the flat or broken RFT or non-RFT fixed/replaced. Particulary when you are far from closest dearler, even worse you pull a trailer/RV, in some remote area, and the tire shop doesn't have right tire in stock. Unfotunately, from lovec1990's repsponse (#2), it seems that storage space under the floor cover in trunk/cargo area for new F15 with and without the option of Space Saver spare doesn't have enough room for a full-size wheel/tire there. But, we do appreciate folks who already owned new F15 with and without the option of Space Safer Spare to verify this by simply measureing the deepth of the that storage space and thewidth of full-size tire to see if the former is equal or larger than the later.

Thank you.
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      01-17-2014, 07:52 PM   #8
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I think its much better to just have a full-size spare so you don't worry about how long in therms of both miles and time before you can have the flat or broken RFT or non-RFT fixed/replaced. Particulary when you are far from closest dearler, even worse you pull a trailer/RV, in some remote area, and the tire shop doesn't have right tire in stock. Unfotunately, from lovec1990's repsponse (#2), it seems that storage space under the floor cover in trunk/cargo area for new F15 with and without the option of Space Saver spare doesn't have enough room for a full-size wheel/tire there. But, we do appreciate folks who already owned new F15 with and without the option of Space Safer Spare to verify this by simply measureing the deepth of the that storage space and thewidth of full-size tire to see if the former is equal or larger than the later.

Thank you.
I did not get a spare and there's no way to fit a full size wheel/tire in the storage space.
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The wife will not be able to handle changing the spare; and I have done it with our E53 and it was a full sized spare. For me loosing the lugs with a hand tool was a battle to itself and took some time. So we are contemplating if a pump/repair kit would serve us better. However, the pump kit will be useless if the deflated tire does not have full contact with the rim.
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Regarding wheel bolts... I would suggest buying a torque wrench. It's nearly impossible to expect any tire shop or mechanic anywhere to tighten wheel nuts to suggested torque. They almost always use an air gun and way overtighten. I'm not sure if it's the same on these SUV's, but my last couple of cars have been 88 ft/lbs. I always check the torque after I come home from having anything done where they took the wheels off and put them back on. Invariably, they are too tight. If they are torqued properly, any able bodied person should be able to loosen them with a typical hand tool without any problem at all. Never-seize can also be helpful and should be used on the bolts and the backside of the wheel where it fits on the hub.
That all being said, unless my wife was more mechanically enclined than the average woman, I would just tell her to make the call to the auto club. If you're paying for it, that's what it's for.
Regarding the donut tire vs. the 20" staggered setup, I don't think it makes any difference... If you end up having to put the donut on, you're limited to a pretty slow speed and total distance, regardless of whether you started out with 19" or 20". I agree with the advice to just get the spare. It's not much and you can always take it out if you want the space.
I would have got the spare but n/a in Canada, maybe I go to Buffalo but the hardware also needs to be ordered. Hence $150 as option is cheap.
My tire guy begins with a/gun then completes with t/wrench.
His tip to me help b/dust flake off is to wax the wheels but not the nuts.
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Thanks for the insight MysticBlue...

The spare is not an expensive option and it will offer a peace of mind, we will include it in our build. With the space saver spare, the interior linings for the wheel well is eliminated right?

I can also attest how the tire shop and motor club assistance can cause more headaches than its worth. In the same E53, the wife used the motor club for tire changing assistance, instead of towing. If we did not have the spare, the motor club would have to tow.. Anyhow, when she drove to a tire center, the shop broke a lug. Apparently the motor club mechanic overtightened the wheel and had stripped it. The deflated tire rim also have markings from the mechanic placing the rim face down on the ground. For this reason, I did not want a spare in the car so someone else could monkey with it... but for a peace of mind, having a spare is the right choice.
Some kind person posted a pic of the ss/spare was not lined. Smart to get spare, gives you much more flexibility. I am surprised how many pass this option.
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Some kind person posted a pic of the ss/spare was not lined. Smart to get spare, gives you much more flexibility. I am surprised how many pass this option.
Yeap, $150 is cheap insurance when you want to use it.
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Frankly I don't see the need. I drive higher than average miles and haven't had a flat in more than a decade. For that frequency of failure I don't see the need to haul a spare. I'll take the extra storage and less weight.
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My F15 arrived. Dealer made a mistake and ordered the space saver spare. Now we have an unfinished storage area under the rear floor, vs. a nice finished one.

The kit inside is a jack and a thin tire that is to be used temporary. The space is not large enough (depth issue) for a full sized tire.
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So if you pay for the 150 spare when you build the car you end up with a unfinished storage area whereas cars that don't opt for the spare gets a nice carpeted storage compartment?

Can you still fit a spare in the carpeted compartment?

I would love to see a pic of both trunk setups

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The space saver is a great idea. We have a 2015 on order with that option selected. Our current 09 X5 did not come with the tire so I bought my own to the tune of over 300$ plus I had to take it to a shop to have the tire mounted to the rim. We switched from run flats to all season Continentals and have noticed a huge improvement with a smoother ride, quieter and better wet traction. With the new car we ordered, once the run flats wear out, it'll be regular tires. I will add one of those hole plugging bottles and a repair kit to the trunk in the event my wife gets a flat as the hole plugging bottle is easy to use. Worst case, she calls me to come and change the tire
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So if you pay for the 150 spare when you build the car you end up with a unfinished storage area whereas cars that don't opt for the spare gets a nice carpeted storage compartment?

Can you still fit a spare in the carpeted compartment?

I would love to see a pic of both trunk setups
Yep. That is what happened to me. Dealer ordered the spare, when our spec excluded it. Now I have a spare i don't want.

They have ordered the trunk carpeting and trim and the dealer has promised to do all to restore the storage area, with one challenge. There is a post welded in the center to keep the spare from moving around. They either have to saw it off, or make a whole in the carpeted area where the post would protrude.

A spare would not fit in that space if ordered without it, as with a missing post the wheel would move around.

Google search produces pictures of both configurations. .... this is an X6 but mine looks pretty much like this, but sits farther away from the edge and closer to the rear tire. Also, the X5 has two of those lift jacks vs. one in the center shown below. The finished storage look is easily found on google search.

I get back next week and if you have not found a picture by then, I will take one and post it.

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So if you pay for the 150 spare when you build the car you end up with a unfinished storage area whereas cars that don't opt for the spare gets a nice carpeted storage compartment?

Can you still fit a spare in the carpeted compartment?

I would love to see a pic of both trunk setups
Yep. That is what happened to me. Dealer ordered the spare, when our spec excluded it. Now I have a spare i don't want.

They have ordered the trunk carpeting and trim and the dealer has promised to do all to restore the storage area, with one challenge. There is a post welded in the center to keep the spare from moving around. They either have to saw it off, or make a whole in the carpeted area where the post would protrude.

A spare would not fit in that space if ordered without it, as with a missing post the wheel would move around.

Google search produces pictures of both configurations. .... this is an X6 but mine looks pretty much like this, but sits farther away from the edge and closer to the rear tire. Also, the X5 has two of those lift jacks vs. one in the center shown below. The finished storage look is easily found on google search.

I get back next week and if you have not found a picture by then, I will take one and post it.

I'm pretty sure the post you're talking about unscrews.
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I'm pretty sure the post you're talking about unscrews.
That would be a relief. Car goes in on the 14th for trunk cosmetic surgery to get storage as ordered. If not welded, it would be a much easier job.
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At least you get he hydraulic arms to hold the floorboard up when accessing the spare tire location. The E70's didn't have any and I had to purchase it from the parts dept and install it myself
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The space saver is a great idea. We have a 2015 on order with that option selected. Our current 09 X5 did not come with the tire so I bought my own to the tune of over 300$ plus I had to take it to a shop to have the tire mounted to the rim. We switched from run flats to all season Continentals and have noticed a huge improvement with a smoother ride, quieter and better wet traction. With the new car we ordered, once the run flats wear out, it'll be regular tires. I will add one of those hole plugging bottles and a repair kit to the trunk in the event my wife gets a flat as the hole plugging bottle is easy to use. Worst case, she calls me to come and change the tire
FYI, don't use that flat fix bottle thing. Reasons are:
1. That gunk will plug up the TPMS and damage it.
2. Most cases, you will not be able to balance the wheels afterward, which makes the tires becomes a waste.
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I have no spare tire ( not available in Canada), hence I have the carpet . It is fasten by 3 plastic dime size rivets, on each of the LHS, RHS, back near the rear seat ( I forgot to check the side facing the rear hatch). I assume that this cut out piece of carpet can be ordered. Cavity size is 9X 29 X 39 inches ( depth, left to right side, diagonal).




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