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You like your F'15 more than E70? (why? post it) | 84 | 85.71% | |
You like your F'15 equal to your E70? (why, post it) | 4 | 4.08% | |
You like your F'15 less than your E70? (why? post it) | 10 | 10.20% | |
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09-15-2014, 07:06 PM | #23 |
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I loved my E70 (50i) but i love the F15 more. Its quite a bit of an upgrade in luxury and technology. The E70 tracked much better on the road though. Steering was more solid. The F15 likes to wander around more and needs more attention to keep between the lanes. I suspect the F15 alignment is the reason. They could have taken out the tiny bit of toe in the E70 had to save fuel and tires but it takes away that sharp feel. I'm going to play with mine and add a touch of front toe in and see if it tracks better. Everything else is better on the F15. Its drastic. And the E70 is amazing on its own so those were big shoes to fill.
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They both have/had staggered 20" wheel setups, but I had to return the E70 to stock for turn in so today I drove it with the old non-staggered 19" wheels with the original Bridgestones, and man did it ever drive great. Big tires really are just for looks on these vehicles. For driving characteristics they grab every imperfection in the road and make the steering feel sloppy. I ran into some windy conditions on my 1400 mile drive home with the new F15 and it was a handful. I'm tempted to experiment the same way you are with the front alignment. There's no excuse for that kind of road wander on a brand new set of tires. I bet I could get the dealer to add toe in for free by complaining about/reporting bad driving characteristics in certain conditions. |
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I had the wrong number stuck in my head, either regurgitated, maybe it was the gross (which is 6250 I believe), or maybe I had the towing capacity stuck in my head... Hell, maybe I did have a Yugo stuck in my back pocket and it just felt heavier to me. Having been EIGHT MONTHS since that post, I couldn't tell you, and couldn't possibly care less. As I said, my point, the actual point of the post and the thread, remains valid. Sorry if what is barely more than a typo offended you so much. |
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10-06-2014, 10:54 PM | #31 |
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I had a chance to test drive the 50i today, it is really where all engine & transmission improvement shines. Not to say 35i is slow (that's what I ordered anyway) but 50i has a great rumble yet it's quiet inside the cabin.
However, the turbo sound is almost completely gone. I don't know the technical term (the spray-like sound) but that turbo release that I hear on a daily basis on E70 is almost gone, I tried with the windows down, I still cannot hear it. The steering is light and sadly less responsive. I drove 750Li, 550xi and 5xx D, 335i, X6 (2014) and F15 was the one that had the least responsive steering. 5 series still has a lot of body roll for a sedan but it suddenly disappears when you put it on Sport, not so much with F15. 5 drives really comfortable, perfect balance of comfort and sportiness and you feel like wrapped in cabin, not smothering but just perfect proportions. Other than somewhat higher steering wheel position even at lowest position, annoying horn delay and mechanical turn signal relay clicker, rest is pretty good. I love the BMW Gadgets, pictures, street view, weather all are excellent additions to an already great entertainment system. A/C is really weaker in F15, additional memory buttons (i believe 2 more) is a welcome addition.
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I have driven the f15 a few times and I am not impressed to the point where I want to spend 85k on this SUV to replace the E70. I have a 12 LCI version with Adaptive Drive (my third E70) and I felt the LCI version is much better than the pre-LCI version of the E70 so I can understand if people are comparing to earlier E70's. The f15 NAV is much better and a few nicer interior features but I was not super blown away by the rest. Maybe I will wait until the f15 LCI comes out, I am sure I will be smitten by then
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My 2003 X5 4.4i E53 drives better than the F15 35i I tested. The turbo V6 is really laggy and does not have enough thrust as my old V8 naturally aspirated engine. The steering is loose and not as direct as my old X5. The F15 does not react to the slightest movement of the steering wheel. You have rotate the wheel a lot to get the E70 to turn, really disappointing. Though parking is easier with F15 due to light steering. The E53 is much sportier to drive, but you if you like newer tech then the F15 is for you.
The F15 does have a nicer interior with leather dash and softer seats, but it felt big and heavy like a truck whereas the E53 felt more like a sports wagon. It does ride better than E53, but the new X5 is too focused on comfort than sport. E53 is a sports car whereas F15 is a luxury cruise ship. I feel rather cold and bored when driving the F15. There is no V8 soundtrack, nor instant response when you floor the throttle or take a sharp turn. |
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Also my E70 never had instant response with throttle and I think I was able to adjust my driving style to expect the lag and in most cases I drove in sport mode with low gears anyway, so I hope to be right at home with F15. I will probably miss the nice steering, though.
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10-27-2014, 01:45 AM | #38 |
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It's unfortunate that bmw has changed the X5's driving dynamics to be more comfortable for the masses but i get it. I had an E70 50i and absolutely loved the power and tight steering but anyone else who drove my car complained of how tight it was and how their arms hurt driving my car.
Before the X5 would ride tighter and harder and you would add packages to lighten it up and make it more comfortable. Now it's pretty much the opposite and I understand that from the point of view of a business decision to target more people. I have actually never driven an F15 even though I have one in production. Initially I may not like how the steering feels, but I will enjoy the updated interior, comfort, and gadgets. After about 3 days I will adjust, and I included DHP to help me with the adjustment process. =)
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10-27-2014, 10:32 AM | #39 | |
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Kidding aside, I even had people turn down the offer to let them drive, when I had one of my coworkers sitting in for me when I went out to pick up something, came back and I asked him if he wants to drive back to office, he made some weird gesture and said "too heavy", pointing at the steering wheel. LOL. Now all that fun I made of his Lexus is now a standard feature on F15. Such a shame, but oh well, we'll get used to it, I assume (I hope) since we have no alternative.
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How's it not fair? The 4.4i V8 is rated at 290HP whereas the new turbo v6 has 300 HP. In a straight line, the new 35i would be bit faster, but it does not feel as fast as my old E53 due to turbo lag. The 4.4i engine in the E53 is a work of art and uses the similar components as the M5 engine. It has broad torque band, revs, and always has power below 2000rpm. The steering on the E53 is only heavy at parking lot speeds. As you build up speed, it becomes lighter and has great road feel. You can really throw it around corners, whereas the F15's steering is way too light making it really hard to point the SUV at high speeds.
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10-28-2014, 02:00 AM | #43 |
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Time came to change my E70 and at first I thought I would be changing to the F15. However I just could not get over how much I disliked the side and rear view. IMHO the E70 is more cohesive and looks good from all angles especially with sport kit, aero kit and 20 inch wheels
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As for the outside looks, to be honest, driver sees inside of their vehicle, and I care about what I see more than others, yes I got the lighting package but if I cared about what others see I would have gotten m-Sport package. Interior is far superior to E70. Question to those others who came from E70, do you find it that there is more outside noise coming from the rear? Like when there is a truck right behind you, you can hear it's engine very clearly. I don't think I could hear that much in E70. Or is it possible that because internal engine noise is completely gone now there is nothing to mask outside noise and we hear more. I was really surprised today and I thought I had a door or window open somewhere and I didn't. Maybe not enough seal/insulation in the tailgate as before?
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