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      08-02-2016, 09:15 AM   #23
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JB4 can make impressive power. Only concern I would have is Drivetrain breakage once you go over 3-4 psi increase. Holding that much power at our weight can be tough on parts.
If my experience with 335XI cars I've owned (2) are any indication, if you stick with JB4 and down pipes, the built-in tolerances of the drivetrain are enough to withstand the extra power. I can't speak for upgraded turbos + meth + etc.

I have 47 months left on my lease so I'll eventually see what it does to my X6M. I don't expect to do 1/4 mile race starts at "every" street corner though, so ... I should be ok!

It may cost you premature brake wear and your face will hurt from all the smiling you do, however.
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      08-02-2016, 09:31 AM   #24
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You could be right. The massive amount of torque the V8 TT already makes is impressive. With a 3 psi increase I dropped a full second off my 0-100 mph time. With AWD, I still think going on up another 100ft lbs over that without tire slippage is going to test the BMW factor of safety. Hopefully nobody breaks anything, but I have already heard of 2 drivetrain failures that had custom ECM tunes. Not sure of their power level. Could have been more than 5psi.
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M3 where are you located?

I was taking to a reputable tuner that uses jb4 and their full DME tuning and he mentioned that they experienced issues on the f85 chassis with jb4 and BCM. BMS states it works but their replies are only by email and very short. Very little details and not enough for me to pull the trigger.

My catted high flow downpipes are going to be installed Friday and was really looking for jb4 to be able to generate a little more boost and get rid of the CEL.

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Hey guys sorry for the late reply. I just posted my 1/4 mile run on the Sydney thread.

The kit is relatively easy to install if you know what you are doing

There are 4 connections and 2 stray wires.

2 plugs for tmap under the intercoolers (any piggy back on the market uses these two plugs, it allows for 3psi over stock)

2 plugs for electronic wastegates and BCM (required for 20+ psi applications)

One ground for BCM, and one plug for OBD wedge for canbus.

Changing maps can not be done on the BC Button like every other jb4 but in time we'll figure that out. Boost on fuel gauge is live tested and working for me for months. I daily the car in map 2 (22psi) and yes have dyno'd the car. It is north of 800bhp but for the time being I won't post numbers as we're still playing with it.

Map 7 can be run with 100+ octane @ 25psi

Car is a rocket now, have videos against e55s, e63, gtrs. She holds her own. If anyone wants to pm me I'm more than happy to provide install instructions (without removing intercooler like needed for m5) as well as answer any questions. Been running it 3 months and 8000 miles so far so good!

Install for a new timer is roughly 2 hours. I can have it in or out in 30 minutes so once you do it once you'll realize the simplicity!
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M3 where are you located?

I was taking to a reputable tuner that uses jb4 and their full DME tuning and he mentioned that they experienced issues on the f85 chassis with jb4 and BCM. BMS states it works but their replies are only by email and very short. Very little details and not enough for me to pull the trigger.

My catted high flow downpipes are going to be installed Friday and was really looking for jb4 to be able to generate a little more boost and get rid of the CEL.

I am running race chip already
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You could be right. The massive amount of torque the V8 TT already makes is impressive. With a 3 psi increase I dropped a full second off my 0-100 mph time. With AWD, I still think going on up another 100ft lbs over that without tire slippage is going to test the BMW factor of safety. Hopefully nobody breaks anything, but I have already heard of 2 drivetrain failures that had custom ECM tunes. Not sure of their power level. Could have been more than 5psi.
I break all 4 loose on occasions. Boost hitting now vs stock is quite mindblowing. Trans seems to be holding up well, we don't have the clutch pack issues like the M5 guys, whom also run this power level RWD with minimal issues.
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      08-03-2016, 09:40 AM   #28
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Trans can be beefed up also since it it used by Dodge.

The diffs are a bigger question mark. Any issues ?
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Trans can be beefed up also since it it used by Dodge.

The diffs are a bigger question mark. Any issues ?
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      08-03-2016, 10:31 AM   #30
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That's just a small issue for massive power benefits. Trans is used in the HellCat and has options for more strength when you need it. The diffs are more complicated. OEM parts so far. Hammer Down !
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Haha...To be safe, DO NOT do digs on Map 7. Nuff said.
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Accurate statement lol
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Haha...To be safe, DO NOT do digs on Map 7. Nuff said.
Unless you have the fuel for it
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Trans can be beefed up also since it it used by Dodge.

The diffs are a bigger question mark. Any issues ?
Compared to RC on 3rd setup? as you might have noticed my post about RC, the 3rd setup could trigger a CEL. Does that mean that I have to change my cats?
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RC and JB4 are two completely different animals. RC will raise the factory boost arc but it is still an arc. Example if factory peaked at 15 psi at 5000 rpm and dropped to 13 psi at 6500 rpm to shift, RC could be adjusted to give you 18psi at 5000 and 16psi at 6500. Increased boost but still an arc. The cel you are referencing most likely is set by exceeding the fuel octane knock threshold with too much boost plus too much ambient air temp, etc.

JB4 BCM opens up a whole new tuning platform where you can adjust the arc out to a flatline commanded boost, plus it will reset your ECM automatically to delete cels if you remove your cats, etc. It can make tremendous power but should only be used by accomplished tuners that understand when they have exceeded pump octane levels and what to do when it is exceeded.
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RC and JB4 are two completely different animals. RC will raise the factory boost arc but it is still an arc. Example if factory peaked at 15 psi at 5000 rpm and dropped to 13 psi at 6500 rpm to shift, RC could be adjusted to give you 18psi at 5000 and 16psi at 6500. Increased boost but still an arc. The cel you are referencing most likely is set by exceeding the fuel octane knock threshold with too much boost plus too much ambient air temp, etc.

JB4 BCM opens up a whole new tuning platform where you can adjust the arc out to a flatline commanded boost, plus it will reset your ECM automatically to delete cels if you remove your cats, etc. It can make tremendous power but should only be used by accomplished tuners that understand when they have exceeded pump octane levels and what to do when it is exceeded.
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Update:

Got JB4 with BCM installed today, running map 2 with 94 octane. Some thoughts:

1.This thing is stupid (ludicrous is trademarked to Tesla so...). No one really needs an SAV that is this fast.

2.All that Torque made me a little nauseous. Like, roller coaster nauseous.

3.I love it, this vehicle should be like this from factory. Feel like I've finally got an M now, and was previously driving an N63 (the non-M engine).
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I am not sure if that is suppose to encourage or discourage me from instilling the JB4. Did you do the install your self? were there any videos to guide you? Can you post a video of this "roller coaster" ride?
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Got JB4 with BCM installed today, running map 2 with 94 octane. Some thoughts:

1.This thing is stupid (ludicrous is trademarked to Tesla so...). No one really needs an SAV that is this fast.

2.All that Torque made me a little nauseous. Like, roller coaster nauseous.

3.I love it, this vehicle should be like this from factory. Feel like I've finally got an M now, and was previously driving an N63 (the non-M engine).
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How is the transmission behaving with all that extra power? When I put turbos on my Jeep SRT and got to around 600whp, the transmission wasn't too happy. It didn't break, but it was extremely jerky and wasn't fun to drive.
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How is the transmission behaving with all that extra power? When I put turbos on my Jeep SRT and got to around 600whp, the transmission wasn't too happy. It didn't break, but it was extremely jerky and wasn't fun to drive.
I see absolutely no change in transmission behavior except that it takes a lot less time between gears if I'm pushing it I need a mod that will give me 8500 rpm redline...

At cruising speeds, in comfort mode, it feels stock until I solicit it for more power. In fact anyone, like my wife, who drives 10 over the limit and accelerates softly will never notice it's tuned.
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I am not sure if that is suppose to encourage or discourage me from instilling the JB4. Did you do the install your self? were there any videos to guide you? Can you post a video of this "roller coaster" ride?
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Got JB4 with BCM installed today, running map 2 with 94 octane. Some thoughts:

1.This thing is stupid (ludicrous is trademarked to Tesla so...). No one really needs an SAV that is this fast.

2.All that Torque made me a little nauseous. Like, roller coaster nauseous.

3.I love it, this vehicle should be like this from factory. Feel like I've finally got an M now, and was previously driving an N63 (the non-M engine).
I think it's meant to say I'm pretty happy, but will likely be conservative with how often I actually push it hard. I have a JB4+DP modded 335xi and that is power that is still exploitable on the street without being a menace to other people's safety. This tuned X6M has so much power it is crazy to push it for more than 3-5 seconds, as that will bring you to very serious speeds (BMW lap timer says 3.7 for 0-60... i know it's not very precise but still) I have to test this at a drag strip to really confirm my impression of at least 0.5 to 1 second being shaved off the stock value... which is a world of difference.

I will happily film a closed course event but I have nowhere I know right now where I could do a good demo without seriously breaking local traffic law (I work in public safety so I can't do stupid stuff).
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I think it's meant to say I'm pretty happy, but will likely be conservative with how often I actually push it hard. I have a JB4+DP modded 335xi and that is power that is still exploitable on the street without being a menace to other people's safety. This tuned X6M has so much power it is crazy to push it for more than 3-5 seconds, as that will bring you to very serious speeds (BMW lap timer says 3.7 for 0-60... i know it's not very precise but still) I have to test this at a drag strip to really confirm my impression of at least 0.5 to 1 second being shaved off the stock value... which is a world of difference.

I will happily film a closed course event but I have nowhere I know right now where I could do a good demo without seriously breaking local traffic law (I work in public safety so I can't do stupid stuff).
That is some exciting news. Do you think (on JB4 standard setting) if you pushed the car hard it will cause some damage? I still have to research the impression of current customers using JB4.

They sent me the link to the install guide... It looked like some serious work... even though someone did the transformation in 1 hour.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...93&postcount=3
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Sounds like a huge difference! Has anyone had a Dinan tune to compare? The install seems to be painful enough that it can't easily be removed for service, so I would be concerned about warranty.
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About the install

It does not take 1 hour, I watched an experienced mechanic do this and by the time the OBD2 port cable is routed inside and everything is done it took two hours. It was his first X6M but he had done it for 3 series and 5 series vehicles on my occasions.

If I had to do this on my own it would likely take 3 hours and I would break clips and scratch stuff

About taking it in for service

I am going to take it for regular service with map 0 on (JB4 off) and disconnect the BCM from OBD2 but I wouldn't take the entire thing off unless I had a big issue with the car and I wanted to avoid senseless finger pointing (or interfering with the technicians diagnosing work).

If, for example, I blow a turbo I would be honest about having a piggyback and leave it at BMWs discretion to cover it or not; "You play, you pay".

I had an APR stage 3 VW Jetta 2003 back in the day and the tranny blew after 3 years. I was totally honest with the dealer and they replaced it on warranty anyway. Not saying this would always be the case but I would recommend being honest and accountable for one's actions.

After all, misrepresenting the facts (the existence of mods) to gain a financial advantage (the repairs and parts) constitutes fraud to some extent and in most jurisdictions.
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