Druid Wedding Cake

Sea-Tac · 06-09-2018, 06:25 PM

Should a Druid baker be afforded the same legal right as the Colorado baker to refuse to make or sell a wedding cake to an Olmec male and female couple because of differences in religion?

obert · 06-09-2018, 07:25 PM

I know this is a big deal to some people but honestly who cares? Are we really in need of attention that much that we have to tell on someone that makes cakes for a living to get on the local new.

Go to another baker or order the stupid thing online and have it delivered and they will never know the difference.

Do we need WW3 just so people will realize how good we have it and stop being such babies. I only bring up war because it seems to be the only thing that makes people understand how good they have it. I know all wars are devastating but I am talking about a war that drafts people and everyone feels the impact not just the in listed military families.

I was going to post this reply in a random thread so thanks lol

RickFLM4 · 06-09-2018, 07:51 PM

I don’t know. Should a Roman Catholic priest be forced to perform a bris on a Jewish baby? Should a Jewish Rabbi be forced to fast during Ramadan?

Maybe the husband and wife to-be could just do business with someone who wants their business. Just an idea.

Sea-Tac · 06-10-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RickFLM4

I don’t know. Should a Roman Catholic priest be forced to perform a bris on a Jewish baby? Should a Jewish Rabbi be forced to fast during Ramadan?

Maybe the husband and wife to-be could just do business with someone who wants their business. Just an idea.

I don't think you would have to force any Roman Catholic priest to perform a bris. In fact, I think they would jump at the chance.

smrtypants44 · 06-10-2018, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RickFLM4

I don’t know. Should a Roman Catholic priest be forced to perform a bris on a Jewish baby? Should a Jewish Rabbi be forced to fast during Ramadan?

Maybe the husband and wife to-be could just do business with someone who wants their business. Just an idea.

I'm okay with that idea. But i hate being humiliated by being told to my face that I'm not worthy of making a cake for. I also don't want to waste my time driving all over town finding someone who will make a cake for me. So I want to know that you wont serve me before I even walk in the door. So I'd propose legislation that they would have to include in their signage and advertisements "will not serve gays".

DETRoadster · 06-10-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by smrtypants44

I'm okay with that idea. But i hate being humiliated by being told to my face that I'm not worthy of making a cake for. I also don't want to waste my time driving all over town finding someone who will make a cake for me. So I want to know that you wont serve me before I even walk in the door. So I'd propose legislation that they would have to include in their signage and advertisements "will not serve gays".

I tend to feel the same way. Get that sh*t out in the open for all to see so everyone knows where you stand.

If I were in the market for a wedding cake and if I were gay, I think I'd want someone making my cake that was excited for me and my upcoming wedding and wanted to be part of that. I wouldn't want someone involved who secretly despised me and was forced by law to make my cake. It's your right to not make a cake that celebrates something that goes against your religion and it's my right to take my money elsewhere.

SakhirM4 · 06-10-2018, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DETRoadster

I tend to feel the same way. Get that sh*t out in the open for all to see so everyone knows where you stand.

If I were in the market for a wedding cake and if I were gay, I think I'd want someone making my cake that was excited for me and my upcoming wedding and wanted to be part of that. I wouldn't want someone involved who secretly despised me and was forced by law to make my cake. It's your right to not make a cake that celebrates something that goes against your religion and it's my right to take my money elsewhere.

Has nothing to do with despising the individual, but not condoning the life style.

DETRoadster · 06-10-2018, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Has nothing to do with despising the individual, but not condoning the life style.

Hmmm, perhaps. I would like to think that's the case in all instances but I don't think we can definitively say that.

But I do get where you are coming from and I do agree, it is entirely possible to like an individual without condoning their lifestyle.

RickFLM4 · 06-10-2018, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smrtypants44

I'm okay with that idea. But i hate being humiliated by being told to my face that I'm not worthy of making a cake for. I also don't want to waste my time driving all over town finding someone who will make a cake for me. So I want to know that you wont serve me before I even walk in the door. So I'd propose legislation that they would have to include in their signage and advertisements "will not serve gays".

I’m sure it is not comfortable or convenient for a vendor to deal with the situation either. I also suspect you want the sign in order to attempt to make it into a scarlet letter for the vendor rather than avoiding humiliation for yourself.

How about asking vendors eager/willing to support gay marriage to display a rainbow or other sign on their door, website, Facebook page, etc. to let you know you are welcome rather than the opposite?

Taskmaster · 06-10-2018, 07:08 PM

Don’t go in business if you don’t want to serve everyone equally.

Period.

Sea-Tac · 06-10-2018, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DETRoadster

I tend to feel the same way. Get that sh*t out in the open for all to see so everyone knows where you stand.

If I were in the market for a wedding cake and if I were gay, I think I'd want someone making my cake that was excited for me and my upcoming wedding and wanted to be part of that. I wouldn't want someone involved who secretly despised me and was forced by law to make my cake. It's your right to not make a cake that celebrates something that goes against your religion and it's my right to take my money elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure Druids are OK with homosexuality and a Druid baker would probably make a wedding cake for you.

Sea-Tac · 06-10-2018, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Taskmaster

Don’t go in business if you don’t want to serve everyone equally.

Period.

Good point. I think the Druids would probably be OK with that but the Olmecs would probably take exception to your point.

StuP · 06-10-2018, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DETRoadster

I tend to feel the same way. Get that sh*t out in the open for all to see so everyone knows where you stand.

If I were in the market for a wedding cake and if I were gay, I think I'd want someone making my cake that was excited for me and my upcoming wedding and wanted to be part of that. I wouldn't want someone involved who secretly despised me and was forced by law to make my cake. It's your right to not make a cake that celebrates something that goes against your religion and it's my right to take my money elsewhere.

An entirely reasonable and sensible stance, so of course unacceptable in this day and age when 'offending' anyone is tantamount to treason.

Taskmaster · 06-10-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by StuP

An entirely reasonable and sensible stance, so of course unacceptable in this day and age when 'offending' anyone is tantamount to treason.

It’s a stupid stance that says it’s ok to discriminate and put the customer at an inconvenience. I’ll never be ok with such a system.

DETRoadster · 06-10-2018, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Taskmaster

Don’t go in business if you don’t want to serve everyone equally.

Period.

That's an idealistic and overly simplistic point of view. I just fired a customer of ours because he mistreated one of my employees. He was derogatory, demeaning, and abusive. Should we have served him equally?

Taskmaster · 06-10-2018, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DETRoadster

That's an idealistic and overly simplistic point of view. I just fired a customer of ours because he mistreated one of my employees. He was derogatory, demeaning, and abusive. Should we have served him equally?

He gave you a reason outside of being black, female, gay, Muslim- so no, I don’t expect you to accommodate him.

aozer · 06-11-2018, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Has nothing to do with despising the individual, but not condoning the life style.

pretty stupid to call homosexuality a lifestyle. its not a choice, its part of their genetics.

Joekerr · 06-11-2018, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by aozer

pretty stupid to call homosexuality a lifestyle. its not a choice, its part of their genetics.

That's interesting. What support do you offer for claiming that it is genetic? I have yet to see any, so I'd be very interested in seeing some.

DETRoadster · 06-11-2018, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Taskmaster

He gave you a reason outside of being black, female, gay, Muslim- so no, I don’t expect you to accommodate him.

Thank you for clarifying.

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Originally Posted by aozer

pretty stupid to call homosexuality a lifestyle. its not a choice, its part of their genetics.

I've ventured down this road of debate with a good friend of mine who is a pretty devout Christian. His perspective is that a person being straight or gay is indeed a genetic assignment. Now he happens to feel God plays a part in that assignment, where as I leave it up to the randomness of natural selection. Anyway, in his opinion, it's still up to the individual to decide if they want to act on their attractions and take on a lifestyle that is counter to the teachings of the bible. In otherwords, God made you gay but it's up to you to either abstain from those attractions or succumb to them.

Never_Enough · 06-11-2018, 08:56 AM

I made brownies over the weekend. Who wants to eat them with me? I don't give a shit what color you are, if you are gay or straight or what religion you practice.

Captain Blood · 06-11-2018, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea-Tac

Should a Druid baker be afforded the same legal right as the Colorado baker to refuse to make or sell a wedding cake to an Olmec male and female couple because of differences in religion?

What's the druids armor class? I prefer paladins and rangers.
Does your Druid have any special items? A vorpal sword, or babba yaga's hut?

Sea-Tac · 06-11-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Dodger

What's the druids armor class? I prefer paladins and rangers.
Does your Druid have any special items? A vorpal sword, or babba yaga's hut?

Their basic armor includes:

Industrial grade Kitchenaid mixers

Sub Zero refridgeration

Viking Ranges (red)

And the usual Williams Sonoma gadgetry

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