X5 verses the Jaguar F Pace

[martin mustang]

We planning to change our Family car currently a 2011 X3 to the F15 -X5 or Jaguar F-Pace, wondering if any of you folks in this forum had the same experience , i.e. coming from an X3, of course if the F Pace was part of your short list a bonus to know why the X5 was the one.
Our X3 was the 1st X car in line of few BMW's before mainly 5 and 3's, our dealer nicked name our X3 the Friday afternoon car on the 1st week of production in reference to the endless issues we had with it.
Hence wondering if the X5 is solid an reliable, even with the new X3 around the corner, it is simply not possible for us to go for another one, I guess we learned the lesson the hard way, not to go for brand new car just released, the X5 in comparison to the Jag fit this criteria on top not sure about the Jag reliability, our X3 was one of the 1st in country back in 2011.

I believe the face lift X5 F15 is due soon, or is it a brand new car?
Thanks in advance for your feedbacks.

[Bahn360Photo]

really didnt like the Jag.

X5 is awesome, comfortable roomy, and good looking. there wont be a facelift but a new model but thats two years away

[Mu5e]

Fpace is not competitor to X5, rather to X3 and x6, it is not that big. In a good side, Jaguar us trying to enter SUV market, so it made best warranty (5y/60000) and it is kind of eye catching since there are not too many of them compared to BMW.

[stewy604]

I'd be a little wary of the Jag, being that its a new model. Give them a chance to work out the 'quirks' first. The F15 X5 is a great looking / driving vehicle. This one is going to come down to personal preference for you.

[double_j]

I came to an X5 from an X3 solely based on size. The X5 cabin is significantly larger and roomier for driver/passengers.

The current X3 is downright claustrophobic by comparison (it's interior also feels significantly less roomy than the new X1). Since the Jag is technically a competitor for the X3, I'd expect that it's cabin would be of similar dimension/feel.

The current X5 isn't exactly old but it only has a couple of years left in it. I don't know the current rumor on timing for a replacement but probably 2018 or 2019.

[GeeRam]

Given spec/option wise, I'm guessing you'll be in line with what we have in the UK......so, you will find the interior space, not to mention quality of fit/finish is much better on the X5 compared to the Jag.
I did consider a F-Pace before deciding on the X5 (not ordered just yet though) so have looked at them in depth......and I did want to like the Jag...but it just didn't grab me at all. Touch screen in Jag isn't a patch on BMW I-Drive either.
As mentioned, F-Pace is a rival to the X3 not X5.
The one big advantage the Jag has though, is if you want a petrol engine, which apart from the V8 of the 5.0i or X5M isn't an option in Europe.
The Jag does drive better in standard form though, not been impressed with the X5 without the expensive adaptive suspension option fitted.

[Kief]

If you don't need the size, go with the F-Pace! Very attractive! I would be all over it if it weren't for the size and being too small for our needs.
The F-Pace would make a nice stablemate for my F-Type!

[P1]

My old boss just bought a brand new XF a few weeks ago and it already had to be towed to the dealership this morning because it refused to start...

[letsddp]

F pace over the X3 for me. However the X6 IMHO smashes it to bits on every dimension.

[UnhappySwede]

I saw the F Pace on the highway and thought it looked great, bigger than I expected. Then a F15 cought up with it and suddenly the Jaguar looked like a small toy

[martin mustang]

Thanks folks for all your feedbacks, I agree with how Jag’s quality is not at the level of the X5, what worries me is the link to Range Rover, I believe it is even stronger with the F-Pace being the 1st SUV Jag, but we surely had bumpy ride with our X3 being described as a Friday afternoon car, lost the count of the amount of times the car went in, we just had the 2nd ABS sensor replaced, and the X3 feel when down to how well put together is miles away from our F10 same year 2011.

The X5 is missing the wow factor maybe because the car is close to be replaced, and we being with BMW for the last 15 years, the Jag is miles ahead I guess also partly down to comparing a 2013 verses 2016 car!
I like the M sport kit look, not a fun of the SE version, I guess having the F10 and the F25 X3 for the last 5 years, the design is familiar, this of course makes the X5 interior look all familiar to us.
On space we moving from an X3, the F- Pace feels the same as the X3 I guess down to the low roof line, the boot is 100L larger, so for us it will be ok, of course the X5 is by far the best here.

I have to test drive both cars for sure, it will be down to the Jag drive feel, as we pretty used to BMW’s! So far the Jag is still a strong contender, purely down to having something different and for sure a gorges car.

[letsddp]

Originally Posted by martin mustang

Thanks folks for all your feedbacks, I agree with how Jag’s quality is not at the level of the X5, what worries me is the link to Range Rover, I believe it is even stronger with the F-Pace being the 1st SUV Jag, but we surely had bumpy ride with our X3 being described as a Friday afternoon car, lost the count of the amount of times the car went in, we just had the 2nd ABS sensor replaced, and the X3 feel when down to how well put together is miles away from our F10 same year 2011.

The X5 is missing the wow factor maybe because the car is close to be replaced, and we being with BMW for the last 15 years, the Jag is miles ahead I guess also partly down to comparing a 2013 verses 2016 car!
I like the M sport kit look, not a fun of the SE version, I guess having the F10 and the F25 X3 for the last 5 years, the design is familiar, this of course makes the X5 interior look all familiar to us.
On space we moving from an X3, the F- Pace feels the same as the X3 I guess down to the low roof line, the boot is 100L larger, so for us it will be ok, of course the X5 is by far the best here.

I have to test drive both cars for sure, it will be down to the Jag drive feel, as we pretty used to BMW’s! So far the Jag is still a strong contender, purely down to having something different and for sure a gorges car.

Get in an F16 and drive that. An M50d has plenty of wow factor

[martin mustang]

So is the price here in Ireland, we have an extra tax on top of the VAT applied that add another 25% to any UK prices, so the X5 mM50d starting price is at £95,656!
A 4 pot engine BMW cost the same as a straight six in UK! It was a shock to me as I am from London and move to my other half corner about 10 years ago.
So for F16 m50d wow factor I am looking at getting a mortgage.

Originally Posted by letsddp

Get in an F16 and drive that. An M50d has plenty of wow factor

[double_j]

The X5 definitely lacks a wow factor but then again, most in this class do.

Definitely drive both but try to resist the temptation to let the F-Pace's external wow factor make you overlook shortcomings. The F-Pace will lose it's wow factor once you get used to looking at it but you'll have to live with the interior and driving quality forever.

[Wing Co]

I am afraid that the infotainment system is far from acceptable, if you read carefully in the reviews. For me this was unacceptable when I was considering a RRS - I bought the X6 M50d. Ok, the Jaguar has the new Infotainment, but read carefully and it is problematical even on this updated version.

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Wing Co

I am afraid that the infotainment system is far from acceptable, if you read carefully in the reviews. For me this was unacceptable when I was considering a RRS - I bought the X6 M50d. Ok, the Jaguar has the new Infotainment, but read carefully and it is problematical even on this updated version.

This is the prime reason why I rejected the Jag and any of the Land-Rover/Range-Rover options....and to a certain extent, the Porsche options.

BMW IDrive is so superior to all the touch screen systems used by others.

[vangoose]

Originally Posted by double_j

The X5 definitely lacks a wow factor but then again, most in this class do.

Definitely drive both but try to resist the temptation to let the F-Pace's external wow factor make you overlook shortcomings. The F-Pace will lose it's wow factor once you get used to looking at it but you'll have to live with the interior and driving quality forever.

What driving quality are you talking about.

I test drove the f path, it's more comfy and handles better. The interior is not as good though.

I have a f16.

[double_j]

Originally Posted by vangoose

What driving quality are you talking about.

I test drove the f path, it's more comfy and handles better. The interior is not as good though.

I have a f16.

I didn't mean to imply anything about the Jag, only to be aware of the tendency to let 'sexy' cars get away with shortcomings in other areas.

[Crassus]

As others have mentioned the X5 is a class above the F-Pace and X3. It's bigger, has better leather, higher seating position and more luxurious options. Buy one if you want more plushness, if not, the F-Pace could tickle your fancy if you are willing to forgive its short comings e.g reliability and poor infotainment UI.

I have seen a few F-Pace around and had occasionally had car envy. It's a looker with the same sexy and badge factor as a Range Rover.

However Land Rover Jaguar have a notoriously poor track record in reliability and I would be wary of buying of buying one in the first model year. It's the very reason why I bought a 2016 X3 which has so far has been bullet proof in tech, interior fit and finish and mechanically. With beige interior and deep sea blue it's roomy and airy without being cumbersome around town.

I did try the X5 as well which, although is more indulgent for drivers and passengers, has a boot that's only marginally larger than the one in the X3. Buying an SUV primarily to accomodate baby stuff, spending £15-20k more on the X5 didn't make sense. However, when the time comes to squeeze two child seats in the back it could be our car of choice.

[letsddp]

F16 boys. You get space ok not as much as X5 but you get something that looks different and non standard SUV box and it rivals f-pace looks but for me is a much better car.

Also handling on the F16 feels more stable and car like

[martin mustang]

I am with you on the X5 being just little bit more than the X3, in fact I believe you lose some in the sportiness driving wise as you higher on the X5 in comparison to the X3.
We have more or less a dilemma in our hand, our X3 is the worst car we ever owned, and I know is down to having a Friday afternoon car, well we hope because we had endless amount of problems got stranded on weekend trips miles away from home, we changes the 2nd ABS sensor, and the car is a low mileage one 50,000 KMs.
I do see your point on the Jag and the Range rover link, as I find it very hard to believe as the 1st SUV Jag did not borrow a lot from Range Rover, but coming from our current experience with the X3 I don’t see worst experience, and we kind lost faith on the quality of cars coming out of the U.S. plants in comparison to the one made in Germany like our F10 over 100k kms and solid proof, as well as it feel like it is put together like a premium something we don’t get with X3 wind noise and feel.

The X5 looks good but will not come across as big change specially at midlife, and not even a facelift, so I guess due change sooner than later of 2018.
We may take the gamble with the Jag, my wife lost fate on the X3 and is having none of that Friday car business, so not even the new X3 around the corner will do the job as she’s never going for another X3. We also had the experience 1st hand for going for a car just released our X3 was produced I believe in the very 1st month of production, I believe they used it for training the workers.

So all over when it comes to deciding on this, a new Jag with all the risks but with the wow factor and probably more sporty drive/feel, or an X5 build in the same place as out complete disaster move to the X line of BM’s.
I believe the Jag is built in Solihull and share the platform with the Xe and Range rover sport only, so interesting to see the long term reports on both the XE and RR Sport.
I am to test drive both cars in the new few days and report on that, I have the feeling that I will enjoy the F Pace more down to the lower drive position.

Originally Posted by Crassus

As others have mentioned the X5 is a class above the F-Pace and X3. It's bigger, has better leather, higher seating position and more luxurious options. Buy one if you want more plushness, if not, the F-Pace could tickle your fancy if you are willing to forgive its short comings e.g reliability and poor infotainment UI.

I have seen a few F-Pace around and had occasionally had car envy. It's a looker with the same sexy and badge factor as a Range Rover.

However Land Rover Jaguar have a notoriously poor track record in reliability and I would be wary of buying of buying one in the first model year. It's the very reason why I bought a 2016 X3 which has so far has been bullet proof in tech, interior fit and finish and mechanically. With beige interior and deep sea blue it's roomy and airy without being cumbersome around town.

I did try the X5 as well which, although is more indulgent for drivers and passengers, has a boot that's only marginally larger than the one in the X3. Buying an SUV primarily to accomodate baby stuff, spending £15-20k more on the X5 didn't make sense. However, when the time comes to squeeze two child seats in the back it could be our car of choice.

[IvanLZ]

There was no need to ask us about the two. Clearly you are all over for the F-Pace so just do what your heart desire and enjoy it. I don't think anything people say will change your mind.