LCI?

[Ricsuaq]

If the design changes within the next two years, I will never buy a BMW again, and I've been loyal for 15 years.

Maybe I should just get out of this X5 now before it hits even more depreciation.

[iconoclast]

F-Pace is a very nice vehicle. Great option over the SQ5 or Macan considering the price and the performance.
I received a "VIP special invite" to privately preview the F-Pace and I was thoroughly impressed however they would not let me drive it. I was only allowed to sit, touch, smell. There will be a driving event next month which they invited me back for.

[UnhappySwede]

Why would BMW schratch their head over the Q7? Everyone I know including myself think it's a huge step back in design and there's not much about it impressing me.

If the rumours arent true, BMW should be letting their customers know. Noone would order a car now, which would be a waste of customers if there is nothing coming up anyway.

[iconoclast]

because it is a new release that was reduced in size to compete directly with the x5. the virtual cockpit and the tech inside the vehicle along with the price-point make it a competitor in addition to people cross-shopping the new xc90 now which comes in $68k fully loaded. these are two new suv in the same class as the x5 which seem to be getting a great deal of attention and it may be a coincidence but x5 sales are declining in the first quarter of this year at the same time the new Q7 debuted and became available for purchase.

i am speculating but to add all the bells and whistles bmw plans to add may make the price increase more than an LCI justifies so a new body and release can easily justify a larger price increase since people will see it as more value versus the same vehicle with new cluster and idrive.

[TortugaX5]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

These articles are concerning, mainly on the value of the existing car. These rumors that I thought were silly, now seem to be more realistic. With the face lift of some Audi models I have heard that more significant changes are made. If the X5 shreds a lot of weight it will of course be a more superior car to the existing ones...

If it sheds its weight beneath 6,001 lbs. (in the US) it's going to be bad news for folks who purchase these trucks as 'work' vehicles to write off on their taxes.

[TallTrees]

Originally Posted by UnhappySwede

Why would BMW schratch their head over the Q7? Everyone I know including myself think it's a huge step back in design and there's not much about it impressing me.

If the rumours arent true, BMW should be letting their customers know. Noone would order a car now, which would be a waste of customers if there is nothing coming up anyway.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/03/03/a...-tdi-official/

While the regular Q7 didn't really get my attention the SQ7 sure has. I love torque especially for towing. The SQ7 will be featured in the new Captain America movie, sure to get a lot of attention then. BMW may indeed be scratching their heads.

[UnhappySwede]

Yea sure but Audis sales probably dipped a bit too when the F15 was launched, and yet they didnt rush the new Q7 to the market anyway. The manufacturers dont have finished new generation of cars in stock waiting to be poured out as soon as they spot a notch in the sales.

Just look at Mercedes, they didnt bother do anything with the IMO very outdated GLE, ML or whatever its called, they keep renaming cars instead of renewing.

The Q7 is more expensive than the X5 here in Sweden. XC90 makes some competition but not enough for BMW to screw its customers and abolish a successful and new car for a product that normally would be 3-4 years away from finished development.

[Longun 2]

The Q7 is ugly. Thats gonna put alot of folks off it even if it is a lovely car to drive!

[2016sx5]

If Bmw's x3 slated for 2017.. Be very confusing for them to offer an X5

They will want to get all the steam they can out of the new X3 release or
you would think. Why steal the luster with in your own company.

Give it a year or two, than hit the market with something else.


Let the X3 platform, surface the Bugs. Having 2 models to work the kinks out ?????

[patrobX5]

Originally Posted by UnhappySwede

XC90 makes some competition but not enough for BMW to screw its customers and abolish a successful and new car for a product that normally would be 3-4 years away from finished development.

I guess you haven't seen the new XC90s sales numbers lately, they are slowly catching up to the X5! http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...gures.html?m=1

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by TortugaX5

If it sheds its weight beneath 6,001 lbs. (in the US) it's going to be bad news for folks who purchase these trucks as 'work' vehicles to write off on their taxes.

bye bye business tax credit.

Originally Posted by Talltress

While the regular Q7 didn't really get my attention the SQ7 sure has. I love torque especially for towing. The SQ7 will be featured in the new Captain America movie, sure to get a lot of attention then. BMW may indeed be scratching their heads.

the NAR SQ7 was originally going to be TDI but with the issues and "scandal" it seems the SQ7 will get the V8tt motor which puts it right up against the X5M/ML63. AOA was hoping to scoop up market share with a TDI product that was performance oriented and didn't hit you in the pocket every time you went on a spirited jaunt. Sadly this may never be. The e-Tron is battling the 40e and the 4cyl Q7 is taking the TDI slot which will be debuting late spring and will be tackling the XC90. the Q8 if it ever comes about is rumored to go after the X6 and then there will be a vehicle to go after the X7 which will be on the Bentley Bentayga chassis and I believe will be the Q9 however so much is going on over AOA it is difficult to figure out what will come to market in the near future. (my hopes are for an S5 Sportback.)

Originally Posted by UnhappySwede

Yea sure but Audis sales probably dipped a bit too when the F15 was launched, and yet they didnt rush the new Q7 to the market anyway.

Of course they did, the Q7 had the same basic design since 2006 and a minor refresh in 2010. the 4M Q7 had a last minute revision in design because the original design "catered to Russian tastes" meaning to was more showy and adorned with chrome a la MB style and design language... it also tested poorly in focus groups or something to that effect so a last minute revision was absolutely necessary and delayed release but came early as a 2017 model.

Originally Posted by UnhappySwede

The manufacturers dont have finished new generation of cars in stock waiting to be poured out as soon as they spot a notch in the sales.

and in this case bmw doesnt either... all we have is an article and renderings and some other internet fluff... however manufacturers do have concepts on hand that are waiting... look at the new Q7... it is a Touareg CrossBlue concept with Audi badging:

Originally Posted by Longun 2

The Q7 is ugly. Thats gonna put alot of folks off it even if it is a lovely car to drive!

agreed, it is not attractive at all but that is subjective to each individual... look in this thread... you already have people bashing the G50 without even seeing it in person. so...

Originally Posted by 2016sx5

If Bmw's x3 slated for 2017.. Be very confusing for them to offer an X5

along with an X7 release... i think they're going to tier releases to have proper exposure for each platform and not cannabilize sales of other products or other releases.

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by patrobX5

I guess you haven't seen the new XC90s sales numbers lately, they are slowly catching up to the X5! http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...gures.html?m=1

this is a make or break moment for volvo to be an actual contender in the luxury suv segment. they're not having any issue with sales but there are numerous issues with the vehicle itself. i had one on order and pulled it after reading about all the problems people are having. volvo has to focus on the dealer experience and proper product knowledge in addition to having the techs trained and prepared for new models. a lot of buy-backs happening from unhappy customers.

[iconoclast]

one thing i would love to see on an LCI or new model X5 is the bimmerang incorporated into the dynamic design line of the vehicle as it is on the F80 M3. it is one thing that really annoys me about the F15 design.

[turboawd]

Originally Posted by TortugaX5

If it sheds its weight beneath 6,001 lbs. (in the US) it's going to be bad news for folks who purchase these trucks as 'work' vehicles to write off on their taxes.

6000lbs is not the actual weight of the x5. its the gross vehicle weight rating, which includes the load it's rated to carry. so the new x5 could be a lighter a bit and still be rated for 6000lb GVW.

[TortugaX5]

Originally Posted by turboawd

6000lbs is not the actual weight of the x5. its the gross vehicle weight rating, which includes the load it's rated to carry. so the new x5 could be a lighter a bit and still be rated for 6000lb GVW.

Ah yes, you are correct! I'm so use to looking at the door sticker that I associate GVW to actual.

[iconoclast]

The current 4M Q7 has a GVW of 6479. The F15 has a GVW of 6063 - 6400 depending on options and equipment. It is cutting it close.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

F-Pace is a very nice vehicle. Great option over the SQ5 or Macan considering the price and the performance.
I received a "VIP special invite" to privately preview the F-Pace and I was thoroughly impressed however they would not let me drive it. I was only allowed to sit, touch, smell. There will be a driving event next month which they invited me back for.

Long term/loyal BMW owner, but Jaguar got me with the F-Type Coupe R. Now I find myself becoming very interested in the F-Pace for my wife...what's happening to me?!?!?

What would you compare the F-Pace cargo utility to with the rear seats up--X3, Q5, or X1-size? Does it appear cramped? We only need our X5 to transport our German Shepherd, but if he could fit in the Jag, I'd mostly pick one up. However, my wife would never allow the dog to be cramped in a smaller ute

[Kzang]

Personally, the modern crossover SUV's are all looking more and more like a van / wagon than a SUV to me.. The new Honda Pilot for example reminds me of a Honda Odyssey.

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by Kief

What would you compare the F-Pace cargo utility to with the rear seats up--X3, Q5, or X1-size? Does it appear cramped? We only need our X5 to transport our German Shepherd, but if he could fit in the Jag, I'd mostly pick one up. However, my wife would never allow the dog to be cramped in a smaller ute

In line with Discovery Sport. Comparable to Q5 & T2 Touareg. Given the size there was adequate space for the front passengers rear is tight for larger or taller individuals. rear cargo space is matched with Macan but that is going by vision I did not measure it.

http://www.jaguarusa.com/Images/9064...m97-223927.pdf

I have an internal document from JLR with all the specs and comparisons against the x3, q5 and macan (iirc), if you need it I could try to find it on my pc and fwd it to you.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

In line with Discovery Sport. Comparable to Q5 & T2 Touareg. Given the size there was adequate space for the front passengers rear is tight for larger or taller individuals. rear cargo space is matched with Macan but that is going by vision I did not measure it.

http://www.jaguarusa.com/Images/9064...m97-223927.pdf

I have an internal document from JLR with all the specs and comparisons against the x3, q5 and macan (iirc), if you need it I could try to find it on my pc and fwd it to you.

Thanks--yeah I've seen this on their website.
I think the Q5 is probably a good similarity--which is likely too small for our "king" Stanley! Unfortunate, b/c I really like the F-Pace. But maybe it would work...

[iconoclast]

it should be hitting showrooms as we speak depending on the market area. head over and take a gander.

[bluenote98]

Here's a thought from a manufacturing perspective. All X models with the exception of the X1 are manufactured in SC. X1s are based off the front wheel drive Mini Countryman and I believe they are built in Germany.

Current X3's are also manufactured in India, Russia and Malaysia
Current X4's are only manufactured in the US
Current X5's are also manufactured in China, Russia, Thailand and Egypt
Current X6's are also manufactured in Malaysia
Source: Wikipedia

I don't know how many different lines there are at the plant in SC but it would make sense to move as many of the models as they can to the CLAR architecture as soon as possible. We know the G01 X3 is coming next year and the G07 X7 is looking like 2018. Could the G05 X5 be around the corner? And the F16 and F26 G/CLAR equivalents? Maybe they will continue to build F15's in the other plants while they move SC to an all CLAR plant. I understand that many of us are upset over the potential of an unprecedented disruption in model cycles. These models are some of the highest selling and likely most profitable vehicles that BMW currently has. The XC90 and Q7 are serious contenders. Had I been able to get an XC90 or Q7 at the time that my previous lease was up I would have probably ended up with a Q7. Maybe the whole Car and Driver article was a PR stunt. Both the XC90 and Q7 had full suspension upgrades. My current ride is a third row DHP, mineral white mocha/pure wood interior equipped car. The big blows were handling and interior. Had Car and Driver used my car I am confident the results would have been different. I am fairly confident that Car and Driver gave BMW the opportunity to deliver whatever model it wanted and likely shared the specs of the competition. I read that Mercedes disrupted a model cycle recently with the E class. Does anyone know the details on the effects of this? If this happens, I suspect BMW will by being aggressive with lease rollouts and trade ins to handle the customer retention consequences of this rumor. I see this as a positive move.