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      03-10-2023, 04:05 PM   #1
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Engine repair under warranty or new engine?

I purchased a 2016 X5 50i with M sport package (59,000 miles) from the dealer with an extended warranty (third party).

It has now failed the oil consumption test. BMW refuses to cover the repair or engine replacement as I purchased the car secondhand after the class action settlement was announced.

My extended warranty will cover the repair of the valve stem seals and the timing case cover gaskets for an invoiced amount of ~$12,600.

The dealership has offered to do a brand new engine replacement instead if I want to kick in an additional $4,000.

Does anyone think the additional price is worth a brand new engine?
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      03-10-2023, 07:19 PM   #2
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If it were me, heck yeah .... I'd jump on that offer in a heart beat.
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      03-10-2023, 09:11 PM   #3
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If you intend to keep it for a while... that doesn't sound like the worst offer.
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      03-10-2023, 10:02 PM   #4
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Sounds like a crap deal all round, inc towards your warranty company. $12k for the work, and/or additional $4k out of pocket for a new engine?


Just put in a new long block with a core swap. If I'm not mistaken on p/n. A new full long block is around $4k for a new unit.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=11_4162
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      03-11-2023, 02:05 AM   #5
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Between warranty companies and dealerships the Monkey-business knows no bounds.

I hate both and always feel like I need to bathe after having any contact with either.

Personally, I would give them the $4k and get the new motor and put it all behind me.
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      03-11-2023, 08:19 AM   #6
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Go for the new engine!

I know, the cost sucks! I spent about the same on replacing mine, but felt it was worth it at the time with crazy car prices.
I have plans to replace the X5, but having spent to much on it last year, I'm holding on to it until the right deal shows up, since I still really enjoy driving it.

Point is, if you like your X5, it is a great vehicle worth the extra 4k for a new block. Not a POS rustbucket not worth taking care of.

With a new block, you will also get other wear parts replaced.
You have lower mileage than I had when mine (120k) went bad, and I don't know what went wrong with your engine. It's still high mileage enough there are other parts that are slowly wearing down too. like this (link to post by sophisticated redneck in regards to chain tensioner)
I had a leaking oilpan seal, that BMW wanted $$$$ to replace, but was not needed with new engine etc.

Anyway, whatever went wrong with my engine, including a bad injector; It caused scoring of a cylinder and block was toast. If there is any chance that happened to your engine, if you don't go for a replacement block, insist on them scoping the cylinders.

Also insist on all new injectors at the same time. Just as preventative measure.
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      03-11-2023, 08:53 AM   #7
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what's all included when they say "new engine?"
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My point on the cost of a new long block been only $4k, is try to get it covered under that $12K cost. $7k for 3 days of work, should cover BMWs rate. With the $1k in parts for any gaskets, hoses, o-rings, etc.

Them doing the seals at $12k, will include them taking your current engine, gearbox, subframe all out. If it's BMW, they wont be doing the seals in the car. Majority of that $12k cost is going to be the labour (time taken) to do the actual seal replacement, not the engine in/out.

Talk to a different BMW shop get an estimate on doing a straight up engine swap. No mention of seals, etc. If your insurer was happy in covering the $12k for the seals, if this BMW shop is under that for a swap. Win!

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Who told them your the second owner? Try another bmw dealership.
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      03-12-2023, 11:19 PM   #10
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The records on the vehicle VIN that every car maker keeps will tell them. The records for vehicle registration will tell them. CARFAX and others will tell them. The service management systems (repair order write-up, accounting, parts inventory, etc, etc. software dealers pay for) has history data that feeds into it that they can look at by clicking a tab to try to give repair history whether at dealer or other. The privacy of the owners is masked usually but it can refer to that field as owner 1, owner 2, so forth. If you look at Cargurus, Autotrader for an add it will list owner count. Not a very well kept secret.
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The records on the vehicle VIN that every car maker keeps will tell them. The records for vehicle registration will tell them. CARFAX and others will tell them. The service management systems (repair order write-up, accounting, parts inventory, etc, etc. software dealers pay for) has history data that feeds into it that they can look at by clicking a tab to try to give repair history whether at dealer or other. The privacy of the owners is masked usually but it can refer to that field as owner 1, owner 2, so forth. If you look at Cargurus, Autotrader for an add it will list owner count. Not a very well kept secret.
Well that data is not proveable. As you now own the vin and it's all yours at that point. I told them I was first owner knowing all the above. They asked me what dealership it was purchased originally. I told them what I saw on Carfax as first sold dealership. They knew about the other names on service history aswell but never brought that as a problem as they don't know if a family member or friends brought the car to service or who it is. Really is not an issue. Corporate than went ahead and issued an approval on goodwill but I still declined there offer as I was just testing them to see if the customer service is any good. That was solely for goodwill repairs but warranty campaign's should still be granted to 2nd owners as that is what the warranty transfer policy says. As for me goodwill is only for first original owner and it still was not an issue. Sometimes people transfer cars to there kids and it leaves a ownership transfer. But at end of the day is it really a different owner🤔

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What company did you use for the extended warranty?
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So the warranty company kicks in $12k and you kick in $4k and you get a new engine?

That's a steal. Do it.
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Sounds like a crap deal all round, inc towards your warranty company. $12k for the work, and/or additional $4k out of pocket for a new engine?


Just put in a new long block with a core swap. If I'm not mistaken on p/n. A new full long block is around $4k for a new unit.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=11_4162
This doesn't seem right. BMW is charging a minimum $16k and in most cases $20k+ for this. Something is off.
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go for the new engine for $4k. it costs close to $1500 here in the Bay Area just to change the oil filter housing gaskets...
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This doesn't seem right. BMW is charging a minimum $16k and in most cases $20k+ for this. Something is off.
Welcome to the N63 kerfuffle. BMW Rather pay with engines on a case by case basis than a recall. (That and the N63 oil consumption lawsuit)
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Well that data is not proveable. As you now own the vin and it's all yours at that point. I told them I was first owner knowing all the above. They asked me what dealership it was purchased originally. I told them what I saw on Carfax as first sold dealership. They knew about the other names on service history aswell but never brought that as a problem as they don't know if a family member or friends brought the car to service or who it is. Really is not an issue. Corporate than went ahead and issued an approval on goodwill but I still declined there offer as I was just testing them to see if the customer service is any good. That was solely for goodwill repairs but warranty campaign's should still be granted to 2nd owners as that is what the warranty transfer policy says. As for me goodwill is only for first original owner and it still was not an issue. Sometimes people transfer cars to there kids and it leaves a ownership transfer. But at end of the day is it really a different owner🤔
What # owner you are shouldn't make any difference to goodwill or warranty/recall work. BMW paid over $7k in goodwill for work on a car that I bought at ~120k and this was never even part of the conversation. In OP's case, I assume class action would be different and pursuant to the terms of whatever agreement was made on this suit.
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This doesn't seem right. BMW is charging a minimum $16k and in most cases $20k+ for this. Something is off.
Apparently a while back they changed the pricing on the core return long blocks. A number of members used that exact P/N for replacement (Yes I know RealOEM/BMW says short. That's what BMW calls long)

First that comes to mind was a guy a while back was trying to get a flood salvage to run. In the end, ended up buy one brand new, and getting it installed.
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Did BMW confirm if the engine is indeed brand new or remanufactured?
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It just blows my mind a modern engine is toast at 59k! they should be ashamed! and its not like its a one off deal either... I have 100 on mine and so far so good. knock on wood... having had 5 bimmers, im still surprised at the silly things that break and craptacular engineering ... sensors going bad one can understand. But this is a fundamental engine design problem...
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It just blows my mind a modern engine is toast at 59k! they should be ashamed! and its not like its a one off deal either... I have 100 on mine and so far so good. knock on wood... having had 5 bimmers, im still surprised at the silly things that break and craptacular engineering ... sensors going bad one can understand. But this is a fundamental engine design problem...
You and I are not the demographic they care about - i.e., people who hang onto their vehicles past the initial lease term.

BMW touts cutting edge technology with each model update. This potentially cuts both ways - lol.
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