04-13-2015, 05:27 PM | #23 |
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All these power comments, and I'm the troll that just wants to see all 3 IND ( m4, m5, x5m) blue cars together in a pic thread.
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04-13-2015, 05:51 PM | #25 | |
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S63TU (M5/M6) has a flat torque curve between 1500-5750 RPM generates 502 lb-ft (claimed by BMW but definitely underrated) and a power curve generates maximum power between 6000-7000 RPM. The new version of S63 (2015 model X5M/X6M) has a flat curve rated at 553 lb-ft between 2200-5000 RPM and maximum power between 6000-6500 RPM. It also has lower redline (7000 RPM) compare to S63tu (7200 RPM) So basically the new engine is claimed to have overall more power and torque but in narrower torque/power band which is exactly what an AWD SUV and not a RWD sport car (M5/M6) needs.
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04-13-2015, 06:50 PM | #27 | |
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The E63 has a 5.5 liter V8. Yes, the AMG GT and the C63 have the same 4.0 liter V8 (which sounds better than the S63tu, even though using the same "hot Vee" layout). |
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04-13-2015, 10:04 PM | #28 | |
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Someone in my college has a blue M5 with an M performance exhaust system and no AMG I heard comes close to sounding as good - perhaps except the SLS. I heard the AMG GT live in person and even in "S" guise with AMG sport exhaust it doesn't sound AS good as the M5 with M performance exhaust. So no the new Merc 4.0 does not sound "way" better. In fact it has more of that american muscle note that the dime a dozen Chargers and silverados have. The M5 sounds a lot more unique. RWD vs RWD the turbo V8 AMG's get eaten alive by their bmw turbo V8 counterparts. Only thing that sucks about the S63tu is active exhaust! And FWIW I'm not a blind BMW fanboy. I think the SLS is the greatest german car ever after the Porsche 918. But apart from the SLS and G-wagon I think BMW's are just better suited to MY taste and needs than Mercs. Hoping to soon get my 3rd BMW when I trade in my 6er for an M5. E63 looks like it's for old people and I'm just 22. |
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04-14-2015, 01:04 AM | #29 | |
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These new X5M's are ridiculous. I'd like to hear one with an exhaust though -- stock doesn't quite sound V8-ish enough in my humble opinion. |
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04-14-2015, 01:35 AM | #30 | |
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http://www.pagani.com/zonda/zonda_R/default.aspx The BMW V12s have been known for quite some time for being tad under-torqued compared to their Mercedes brethern. Put simply, use that college brain and look it up. Since you only mentioned the S600 and 760i, I looked it up for you- 2015 S600 523 hp, 612 pound feet of torque, 2015 BMW 760li 535 hp, 550 lb feet of torque. And remember, this is only the S600 and 760. Not the AMG S65 and Alpina B7. Look up BMWs V12s in the 7 series vs the V12s in the S class since the days of the e32 7 series and the W140 S Class http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_7_Series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_S-Class Come on, the current M5 doesn't sound that good, and remember you said it had an M performanceexhaust. Now, had you said it was the V10,, then I can agree. Of course sound is subjective...but the M5 has that distinctive fart sound. BMW hasn't been mass turbocharging their high performance cars as well as or as long as AMG (read that as mass production series vehicles, not something like the 2002 Turbo). Most turbo cars have terrible sound, as the turbo nullifies the sound. But, AMG's turbo engine cars sound like beasts...of course, your not a fanboy, but you put down the AMG V8's sound as "american muscle" sound. By the way, if you have to tell someone that you are not a fanboy, it usually means that you are. It's like telling someone that you are not a liar... it's all good though...greatest german car of all time is the M3, don't you know that? Last edited by IS3andME; 04-14-2015 at 02:55 AM.. |
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04-14-2015, 03:09 AM | #31 |
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04-14-2015, 07:01 AM | #33 |
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They have both dyno's now
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04-14-2015, 08:05 AM | #34 |
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Awesome pics and crazy power. This is one of the few cars that I'm tempted to buy in lieu of an F80, but I hope to wait a few years and replace the wife's car with this.
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04-14-2015, 11:54 AM | #36 | |
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new m3 vs. i8 i8 won in his mind. sad. i guess i am only one i8 does nothing for. looks like tron mobile. not muscular/mean looking. those wheels are terrible - skinny and like all the other ugly hybrid wheels they always design. |
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04-14-2015, 12:04 PM | #37 | |
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Lol. You guys are arguing over V12s. BMW hasn't put any effort into a V12 in years and is likely not to do so for many more years. So yeah, maybe the MBZ V12s are better, but so are their cassette players. Yeah, it doesn't matter cause V12 went the way of the dodo long ago. Now compare an engine that BMW developed for performance more recently. Perhaps their V10 engine or perhaps any of their turbo engines in recent times. V12s that go into the 760s are not performance engines. They are smooth and refined and exclusive. Not an M engine by any means. |
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04-14-2015, 11:42 PM | #38 | |
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I think V12s are going to be here for a while...As long as Ferrari and Lamborghini, Mercedes and BMW are making them. I wasn't really talking about M engines. But, it would be nice if BMW did have a M engine V12, biturbo of course. |
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Dynojets read very high in general. Get the car on a Mustang or MaHa dyno and you will see considerably lower numbers.
That being said, some of these engines have been known to produce far more hp than indicated by BMW. Strangely, it were in particular the press cars that produced up to almost 650hp at the crank. Honi soit qui mal y pense... Alpina_B3_Lux
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04-18-2015, 11:26 PM | #41 |
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Ok so w the tune how much is new HP
I have the 2011 x5m w Velos Tune So I'm at 640 hp / 620 tq ( not at wheels apparently) So non comets gear head talk my stock x5m goes from 555hp to 640 ish 500 tq - to 620tq What does this new one get w tune When it says 600 "at the wheels" isn't that like 700+hp ? Just curious Thanks guys!! |
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It must have been tuned to have a lot higher power, due to having no limit in traction because of the AWD. But frankly, a friend of mine drives the same car as my m6 and he sent it to the dyno, and said that the engine cranks at 615 or so.
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