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USA Today: Hefty price increase
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06-26-2013, 08:36 AM | #3 |
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I thought equally-equipped models from 2013 and 2014 would be at very similar price?
Comparing last gen. base model to not-so-base 2014 is kind of silly |
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06-26-2013, 08:46 AM | #4 |
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Agree. Actually the F15 X35D (which is the one I would be looking at for next year) is 100 bucks less and includes more standard features, like the new Nav with touchpad.
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06-26-2013, 09:54 AM | #5 |
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Right, but what if the eco credit goes away? If so then the car went up by 3500-4500 depending on which eco credit you factor into the equation.
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06-26-2013, 12:30 PM | #6 |
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Not sure if that price considers an eco credit, at least is not mentioned; but even though I think the price is competitive when compared to similar vehicles (Audi Q7 TDI, Mercedes ML350 Bluetec) with similar equipment (adaptive bi-xenon, panoramic sunroof, navigation..) personally I would take the X5 over the other two. Cayenne is another option, but I had to shell almost 70 for a decently optioned (not fully optioned, just decently) CD and even though it drives flawlessly, cabin tech is way behind.
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06-28-2013, 10:47 AM | #8 | |
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The E70 X5 feels (and in fact is) a lot heavier, but it also drives excellent (mine incl adaptive drive), you get more the feel of a bigger vehicle but you also have more interior room, specially in the second row and the trunk. I personally enjoy the hi tech stuff, even if some are a little too much , and that's something I love about the X5: cameras everywhere, heads-up display, a huge screen, you can control and send some stuff from your phone, just to mention a few. So because of that and assuming that the F15 drives similar to the E70, I would take an X5 (of course loaded with all tech options available) My recommendation: think about what you really value the most and even after you have that very clear, test drive them both and think about which of those two vehicles you are willing to live with for the next couple years. Good luck! |
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Two of my friends have Cayennes, one has an 09 S and another just picked up an S hybrid. As for quality, the 2nd gen Cayenne is light years ahead in terms of interior and quality. Unfortunately I have not driven the new one yet but have had considerable amount of seat time in the 09. I really like how it drives. As for the X5, I have had some seat in the E70 48i. Loved the pick up and the ease to drive but you are right it does feel like a boat (compared to the Cayenne of course). That being said, I notice you have a Cayenne Diesel. Does it feel 'slow' and what kind of mileage do you get? The reason I ask is that I am leaning towards the diesel myself. Thanks again for your help!
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a 14, it still higher than an 13 if someone does not want the now standard items. where it will speak is when can actually build one and find out how much the individual packages have gone up and other options increase. Auto manufacturers recoup that development cost. |
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06-29-2013, 09:34 AM | #11 |
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Ultimately you just have to wait for the configuration to come online before judging the price gap.
But the trend has been that all newer models cost more and it's more than just inflation. All new models have moved upscale in both size, feature content and price, hence the introduction of these new subcompact or b-class segments.
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Mileage is awesome. The Cayenne Diesel is my daily driver and I visit the pump each 3 weeks and it's not like it's parked all the time, I do approx 800 miles per month. Of course you have to pay a prime for getting the diesel which you will probably not recoup if you don't drive a lot, but still I find the Diesel really convenient, specially when you go on long road trips (as I often do) and you get the extra bonus (if you care about that) of polluting a bit less If Porsche would add more tech stuff to their vehicles, it would be tough to beat them, but that's not their focus. |
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Like you say if it does come out with more for less. Thumbs up BMW. That is
hardly seen in todays auto world. There is allot of guys on here that will pick it down and find exactly what went where. Looking forward to the build app. know the new vette came in close to old price but not many want the base version. Finding by the time get one opt out it is higher than the C6. Question being ask is how much better will it be compared to cost of all c7 upgrades |
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I suspect the Cayenne also gets some of its feel from the 8 speed transmission, while the E70 has been "stuck" with a lowly 6 speed. It appears that BMW developed the N57 with the 8 speed transmissions in mind, but there was no practical way to retrofit the old M57. Some have tried to excuse the E70 35d by claiming that it is perfectly matched to the 6 speed, but there is little doubt that 8 speeds are better, and some manufacturers are gearing up for 9 or more! One area that I haven't seen covered is the noise that the F15 35d will make, as the diesel clatter is often brought up in comparisons with other diesel SUVs. I have had numerous occupants in my 35d who are amazed when I tell them it's a diesel, as most of them associate diesels with heavy duty trucks and clunkers from the 80's. While I don't mind the engine noise, I "get it" that some would prefer it to be as quiet as the MB, VAG, and Fiat competition. |
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The transmission in the Cayenne is also very smooth and changes gears real quick and when driving "normally", it will keep you in the upper gears at relative low speeds, which contributes a lot to very good mileage. After my previous post it came to my mind that we haven't discussed about the engine noise and the fact that it is also a big difference between the E70 and the Cayenne Diesel. Of all the diesels I have driven, the Cayenne is the quieter (even quieter than the small Mercedes GLK Bluetec). But still I'm looking forward to the F15 x35D and all the gadgets the new X5 brings. As for the engine clatter: that's nothing a good sound system can't solve Basically the Cayenne is a very solid all around vehicle which has the advantage of it's brand name. To my liking it is missing in the tech part, which is a very important factor for me. But of course, it is impossible to keep 100% of the people 100% happy, so there will always be some kind compromise. |
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