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      12-09-2016, 10:45 AM   #1
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I noticed that BMW USA is now offering remote start (not shipping yet).

Link: BMW-REMOTE-ENGINE-START-UNIT

A few points:
  • Price is $525.00.
  • I called my dealer but they don't have pricing info yet. But my guy had an install price of course - $882.00.
  • I see from the link that an additional key purchase is required. It does not say what kind of key (fob, or otherwise). And, I don't know if my dealer's $800 includes the key. I'm going to check back with them after the product starts shipping.

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All seems like a lot of money for something that's rather gimmicky in my book.
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All seems like a lot of money for something that's rather gimmicky in my book.
Well, have you ever lived outside of Texas....say, anywhere it snows?

Not even close to a gimmick.
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Well, have you ever lived outside of Texas....say, anywhere it snows?

Not even close to a gimmick.
Agree, not a gimmick at all

And not just where it's cold... nothing is worse than getting into a car that's been sitting in 100 degree all day
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The literature sayd it's activated by pressiong the lock button three time. Why would we need to buy another key and how much is that key?
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Well, have you ever lived outside of Texas....say, anywhere it snows?

Not even close to a gimmick.
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Agree, not a gimmick at all

And not just where it's cold... nothing is worse than getting into a car that's been sitting in 100 degree all day
I'm from Europe, so I know snow and 100F weather. I suppose it could make sense if you leave your vehicles outside.
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      12-09-2016, 02:46 PM   #7
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Well, have you ever lived outside of Texas....say, anywhere it snows?

Not even close to a gimmick.
The key fob's range is what, about 30 feet. So it allows me to start it about 6 seconds before I was going to get there anyway. So yeah, for me, until they fold this into the BMW Connected app, it's not much more than a gimmick. I suppose it would be useful for some circumstances, but not for me. I park in a secured parking lot at work, so being able to start it on my phone would be great, summer or winter, but using the key fob to do it does me no good. By the time I'm close enough for it to work, I'm almost there anyway. Does me no good at home either where it's parked in a garage. I would have step into the garage to open the garage door, at which point I'm 4 feet away from the car anyway, so referring to it as "remote start" is kind of a stretch. If it was 40 bucks, sure. A thousand bucks? Not for me.
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I noticed that BMW USA is now offering remote start (not shipping yet).

Link: BMW-REMOTE-ENGINE-START-UNIT

A few points:
  • Price is $525.00.
  • I called my dealer but they don't have pricing info yet. But my guy had an install price of course - $882.00.
  • I see from the link that an additional key purchase is required. It does not say what kind of key (fob, or otherwise). And, I don't know if my dealer's $800 includes the key. I'm going to check back with them after the product starts shipping.

My email from BMW lists which models are compatible:
  • 2014–2016 BMW 5 Series models (excluding M5 and ActiveHybrid)
  • 2014–current BMW X5 models (excluding M and xDrive40e)
  • 2015–current BMW X6 models (excluding M)
You either have to let them use your existing second key fob (leaving you with only one) or they can order a third one, which puts the total cost well over a thousand.
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      12-09-2016, 10:34 PM   #9
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Got it installed two weeks ago. Dealer had some trouble since it was one of the first done, but it's working great. They were adamant that I get another key even though I wanted to just use my spare, but in the end I relent and guess in the end you technically still only have two keys since the third is sealed up with Betalink.

Even though it only takes five minutes to get warm air from my cars these days, it's very nice to walk out to a nice warm car instead of freezing for those five minutes. I expect this will be very useful when it snows and I can warm the car up while removing the snow without having to clear the door first.

BTW the key fob range is quite good. I can remote start when getting dressed without seeing the car by using the remote and when I'm outside it's warmed up.

Breakdown price is:
$525 for Remote Engine Start system
$65 for Betalink K2
$300 for another key (inclusive of programming)
3 hours labor (so whatever they charge for labor)

They offered me BMW CCA discount... which has already paid for itself over and over again.

Total was around $1350 inclusive of tax and discount.



I imagine in the summertime it would be nice to walk into a chilled car so fun all year round.
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What are they doing to the key that causes you to need a third key?
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      12-10-2016, 10:56 PM   #11
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What are they doing to the key that causes you to need a third key?
They have this little box that's the remote start system and they put the key inside. It's used to actually start the car and I guess the signal can't get out the box so you don't have to worry about people sniffing the signal. I assume the signal gets block inside because car never has issues recognizing the key on my person. And to prevent people from stealing said key, it's sealed into the box with Betalink (very strong automotive glue).

Technically you don't need a third key but whatever key is used is sacrificed into the box and you won't be able to get it out ever without destroying it anyways.
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Thanks. Sounds like it works well, but it sounds like a really clunky solution for an Oem system. Not to mention ridiculously expensive.
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This may work for SOME people, but is inferior to other manufacturers solutions (ie Mercedes, Volvo, and Jag to name a few). First of all, the range is limited where as in other manufacturers is activated through a phone app, not the key fob. Second, if you read the operating instructions, it says "After a remote start, the vehicle is required to be started manually and put into drive before another remote start can occur." Make no sense... You basically can only use the remote start every other time you start your car, unless you want to crank your car an extra time every time you get into the car just to reset the remote start. Very poor engineering by BMW IN my opinion given the MUCH better solutions achieved by other manufacturers. I'm very disappointed to be honest.
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This may work for SOME people, but is inferior to other manufacturers solutions (ie Mercedes, Volvo, and Jag to name a few). First of all, the range is limited where as in other manufacturers is activated through a phone app, not the key fob. Second, if you read the operating instructions, it says "After a remote start, the vehicle is required to be started manually and put into drive before another remote start can occur." Make no sense... You basically can only use the remote start every other time you start your car, unless you want to crank your car an extra time every time you get into the car just to reset the remote start. Very poor engineering by BMW IN my opinion given the MUCH better solutions achieved by other manufacturers. I'm very disappointed to be honest.
VW Passat remote start is basically the same.

Remote start, unlock/open door and car shuts off, get in, manual start, drive away.

I agree, it makes absolutely NO sense at all. The other disappointing thing about this way overpriced product, there appears to be no feedback to indicate if the car has actually started. I have a cheapo dealer installed remote start on my GMC 2500 truck, there is no way to verify if the truck has started. Half the time I go out thinking it has warmed up some and I can go snow plowing only to find it didn't start!! Most of the aftermarket remote start units I have seen, they have some sort of feedback to indicate if the vehicle has actually started or not.
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I am happy with it. That's all I can offer. If you feel it's overpriced or clunky from my description, there are aftermarket solutions out there that off app start and all that. But I wanted an OEM system.

I imagine for security reasons they want the key inside-the-box solutions... can you imagine if you can start the car with the app, why can't thieves?
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I imagine for security reasons they want the key inside-the-box solutions... can you imagine if you can start the car with the app, why can't thieves?
I'm glad to hear some good feedback on the remote start, and I'm glad it's working out for you.

That said, I haven't heard of any thieves stealing any Jags, Mercedes, or Volvos, though they all use apps. And I don't think those companies would put their names at risk without doing the proper R&D. I don't consider an app as a real security risk -- at least not yet.

I'm not even concerned about the price. I'd gladly pay $1500 for a system that adds convenience and WORKS. Problem is that the BMW system is NOT convenient for the reasons listed earlier in this thread -- at least not in my current situation. I'd imagine it's not a convenient amenity for the vast majority of users.
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So, other than this outdated and overpriced OEM remote start what other solutions are out there for F15's, preferably app based like MB, GMC, JLR, etc?
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They have this little box that's the remote start system and they put the key inside. It's used to actually start the car and I guess the signal can't get out the box so you don't have to worry about people sniffing the signal. I assume the signal gets block inside because car never has issues recognizing the key on my person. And to prevent people from stealing said key, it's sealed into the box with Betalink (very strong automotive glue).

Technically you don't need a third key but whatever key is used is sacrificed into the box and you won't be able to get it out ever without destroying it anyways.
Is this for real? They need the key to put in the remote starter?

This seems like the worst kind of after-thought option ever created. I can't imagine these guys can't figure out a way to safely start the car using an iphone/androind app
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It's kind of silly, but just about every aftermarket solutions requires this, so I wouldn't be surprised if BMW actually just incorporated an aftermarket solution.
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This may work for SOME people, but is inferior to other manufacturers solutions (ie Mercedes, Volvo, and Jag to name a few). First of all, the range is limited where as in other manufacturers is activated through a phone app, not the key fob. Second, if you read the operating instructions, it says "After a remote start, the vehicle is required to be started manually and put into drive before another remote start can occur." Make no sense... You basically can only use the remote start every other time you start your car, unless you want to crank your car an extra time every time you get into the car just to reset the remote start. Very poor engineering by BMW IN my opinion given the MUCH better solutions achieved by other manufacturers. I'm very disappointed to be honest.
BMW DO have a solution - Its available outside North America - Auxiliary Heating is a separate 'engine' that works via the old BMW Remote app or now the new BMW Connected App or a separate 'key' fob. Or else you can set the time to switch on via the iDrive.
Works well..would not be without it even in the UKs somewhat temperate climate.
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BMW DO have a solution - Its available outside North America - Auxiliary Heating is a separate 'engine' that works via the old BMW Remote app or now the new BMW Connected App or a separate 'key' fob. Or else you can set the time to switch on via the iDrive.
Works well..would not be without it even in the UKs somewhat temperate climate.
That is a MUCH better solution. Why is that not available as a standard option everywhere? Texting my sales person to try to get that added to my x5 build right away.
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