Dealer asking full MSRP

[apw2607]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

A little condescending, don't you think? I bought both my E90 M3 and F25 X3 during the first year of production and still have both of them. They have both been basically flawless. I used to avoid first year cars, but not any more.

That depends. Had you bought a e92 m3 with the DCT you may have had a different impression of owning a 1st year production BMW with new technology.

[MysticBlue]

Originally Posted by apw2607

That depends. Had you bought a e92 m3 with the DCT you may have had a different impression of owning a 1st year production BMW with new technology.

I have an 09 M3 DCT, (took delivery fall of 08). No complaints. No problems. No regrets. I guess I'm pretty lucky for being such a clueless fool.

[apw2607]

Originally Posted by MysticBlue

I have an 09 M3 DCT, (took delivery fall of 08). No complaints. No problems. No regrets. I guess I'm pretty lucky for being such a clueless fool.

The DCT transmission got probably 5 software updates during its first year. The initial update was to an addresses a situation where the car could stall. By addressing this issue BMW introduced (or the supplier) additional issues such as shift lag during shifting which in itself became another safety issue.

The issue sparked a thread which i started on the BMW forum boards that had thousands of posts from unsatisfied customers.

My DCT car was built during the first week of production and after the updates was never entirely trouble free. In the end I sold it but vowed I wouldn't go through that again with a first year car.

I personally think that if you don't mind doing a bit of troubleshooting and have the time .. It all good. But in some cases the whole thing can leave you with a poor experience.

The main problem is the software. Due to the very tight supplier timelines, production versions are sometimes not ready and can be patched later. Someone somewhere will have calculated the risk and safety implications associated with releasing non final versions.

[jspdr]

Originally Posted by apw2607

The DCT transmission got probably 5 software updates during its first year. The initial update was to an addresses a situation where the car could stall. By addressing this issue BMW introduced (or the supplier) additional issues such as shift lag during shifting which in itself became another safety issue.

The issue sparked a thread which i started on the BMW forum boards that had thousands of posts from unsatisfied customers.

My DCT car was built during the first week of production and after the updates was never entirely trouble free. In the end I sold it but vowed I wouldn't go through that again with a first year car.

I personally think that if you don't mind doing a bit of troubleshooting and have the time .. It all good. But in some cases the whole thing can leave you with a poor experience.

The main problem is the software. Due to the very tight supplier timelines, production versions are sometimes not ready and can be patched later. Someone somewhere will have calculated the risk and safety implications associated with releasing non final versions.

First year models can be debatable issues. while it's true in your case, it was a poor experience, on the other hand, it was good for MysticBlue and other's. OP was not asking for what year model to buy. Why first year model buyers are clueless? Make no sense.

[apw2607]

Originally Posted by jspdr

First year models can be debatable issues. while it's true in your case, it was a poor experience, on the other hand, it was good for MysticBlue and other's. OP was not asking for what year model to buy. Why first year model buyers are clueless? Make no sense.

Indeed. I didn't make the statement that they were clueless.

[MysticBlue]

Originally Posted by apw2607

Indeed. I didn't make the statement that they were clueless.

Didn't mean to imply you made the clueless statement. I know that was Kzang. In any case, I think first year issues are a risk, but there is a risk in general and I don't think the first year risk is really that much more than the overall risk of something being not right, whether it's first year or not. My build date was May of 08, so pretty early. Had a couple software updates in the first year or two, but no big deal, and never any problems. No stalls. You and some others did have problems. In any case, all else being equal, first year problems would be something to consider, but I quit worring about it a long time ago. There are a lot of other, more important factors that determine the timing of when it's time for a new car, and first year issues just isn't a big one for me. Plenty of people end up with problems with their 2nd, 3rd or 4th year cars. I think it's mostly just dumb luck, fate, luck of the draw, etc. And in the end, that's what the warranty is for.

[Kzang]

When I mentioned that the clueless remark, I intended to say that the buyers that are not informed are clueless and would purchase a first model year without a second thought...

I wasn't trying to be condescending, I was just making an observation that the regular members here are aware of the risks of first model year production cars have. However... just because one member had zero issues with their first year production car (s) does not = my statement being false.

That is like saying to the issues with the HPFP with BMW N54 turbo engines.. just because one owner had zero issues with their high pressure fuel pump does not mean the problem did not exist.

And I do not have new model envy... as I don't think the exterior is any better than my current 2013 E70. To me.. the exterior of the new X5 makes it look like a minivan looking at its profile and a over-sized X3 looking in the rear. The front bumper looks awkward.... However, I do agree that the interior is nicer...

With all this said.. perhaps my choice of word like "Clueless" was poor and may have offended prospective new buyers. But based on experience, I still stand by comment that people who buy the first production model year cars are merely beta testing for BMW

[Kzang]

I would like to add that I typically lease my BMW's since I cringe at the thought of owning one after the warranty has expired ( another issue I have with reliability and costly repairs with BMW's ). I may change my tune with the LCI version of the F15 and perhaps snag one. My previous cars were 2007 E60 525i and 2010 E60 535i. I was not too fond of the F10 design and driving characteristics e.g. steering feel, so I decided to get the 2013 E70.

I did not think the pre LCI E70 were all that hot looking... especially the front bumper air inlet. But when I saw the LCI E70 I thought it was a huge improvement in the front with the oversized air inlet although the air inlet on the 35i is non functional. I'm hoping that the LCI F15 will have the same affect on me visually.. In regards to the driving and steering feel.. well that will have to wait and make my own judgement when I test drive one for myself.

[midlifecrisis]

While the more angular look of the new car looks better to me in person than in photos, I agree that the post LCI E70 is a very good looking vehicle. Sales of the E70 were very strong last month, particularly for a car that's going out of production. The new one might have a bit of a slow start, and it might not be very long before the MSRP-only price policy goes away.

[alexey21]

Why dont you guys, find dealers in the area, and get a quote from one and use that price to bump down the other, and then go back to first one and bump down the first one. Keep going until you get lowest price.

[jspdr]

Originally Posted by Kzang

When I mentioned that the clueless remark, I intended to say that the buyers that are not informed are clueless and would purchase a first model year without a second thought...

I wasn't trying to be condescending, I was just making an observation that the regular members here are aware of the risks of first model year production cars have. However... just because one member had zero issues with their first year production car (s) does not = my statement being false.

That is like saying to the issues with the HPFP with BMW N54 turbo engines.. just because one owner had zero issues with their high pressure fuel pump does not mean the problem did not exist.

And I do not have new model envy... as I don't think the exterior is any better than my current 2013 E70. To me.. the exterior of the new X5 makes it look like a minivan looking at its profile and a over-sized X3 looking in the rear. The front bumper looks awkward.... However, I do agree that the interior is nicer...

With all this said.. perhaps my choice of word like "Clueless" was poor and may have offended prospective new buyers. But based on experience, I still stand by comment that people who buy the first production model year cars are merely beta testing for BMW

All your statements are subjective... Perhaps you should reread post # 28.

Originally Posted by alexey21

Why dont you guys, find dealers in the area, and get a quote from one and use that price to bump down the other, and then go back to first one and bump down the first one. Keep going until you get lowest price.

Make sense. I have done it, and worked everytime.

[manub751]

Originally Posted by jspdr

All your statements are subjective... Perhaps you should reread post # 28.

Make sense. I have done it, and worked everytime.

I think one needs to have the skills to make salesreps compete. I tried doing it this morning and it didn't work. I forward one dealer's email quote ($1000 below MSRP) to a second dealer and asked them to beat it and the second dealer came back asking for full MSRP. And when I stressed on the fact that I already have a deal with $1000 discount, they wished me luck and told me go with it.

[Kzang]

Originally Posted by manub751

I think one needs to have the skills to make salesreps compete. I tried doing it this morning and it didn't work. I forward one dealer's email quote ($1000 below MSRP) to a second dealer and asked them to beat it and the second dealer came back asking for full MSRP. And when I stressed on the fact that I already have a deal with $1000 discount, they wished me luck and told me go with it.

I would wait if you really want to pay less than MSRP.. dealers are always confident that a new design car will always sell. Give it 6 months or so..
Otherwise bite the bullet and pay full price..

[MonacoJoe]

there will always be people who want to be the first on the block with the new toy. let them enjoy. comes with a price (literal $ and issues) but nothing wrong with it. done it a bunch of times...w bmws had many issues. with audi...zero. haven't sworn or committed to either brand yet.

[Donibm]

Originally Posted by PandaX

If I pay everything in cash, will there be any cash discount???

It was for me. But that was back in January 2009.

[barcelona]

I was going to wait a year to obtain a fair price. In Toronto, I got > 5%, signed on the spot for the 35i. Two days later changed it for 50i and more options, no problem to revise.

[PandaX]

when did you place the order? And when did they say that you will get your car?

Originally Posted by barcelona

I was going to wait a year to obtain a fair price. In Toronto, I got > 5%, signed on the spot for the 35i. Two days later changed it for 50i and more options, no problem to revise.

[barcelona]

Originally Posted by PandaX

when did you place the order? And when did they say that you will get your car?

A1: 8/17
A2: Expected delivery date: 1/15/04.

Initial delivery was 11/30/13. I amended contract for 50i and 5AT. The delay (from 11/30/13) was for 5AT. I changed from 35i as, HP on 50i has been nicely bumped by 50 (Max. output in kW (hp) at 1/min 330 (450) / 5,500-6,000 ). I think I was fortunate as my initial contract was dated 8/15 without a test drive. On 8/17 I tested the E70 and learned that it is a tad slow from a stop position. The pick up from a stop has been pointed out by a few people on the 35i versus 50i thread, I agreed and hence my change.

[PandaX]

I think you mean 1/15/14? That is pretty long tho. I have been told mine will be here around November as the production date is the second week of October.

Originally Posted by barcelona

A1: 8/17
A2: Expected delivery date: 1/15/04.

Initial delivery was 11/30/13. I amended contract for 50i and 5AT. The delay (from 11/30/13) was for 5AT. I changed from 35i as, HP on 50i has been nicely bumped by 50 (Max. output in kW (hp) at 1/min 330 (450) / 5,500-6,000 ). I think I was fortunate as my initial contract was dated 8/15 without a test drive. On 8/17 I tested the E70 and learned that it is a tad slow from a stop position. The pick up from a stop has been pointed out by a few people on the 35i versus 50i thread, I agreed and hence my change.

[synergx]

I picked up a used 2012 x6 from crevier back in 2013 and it was an easy negotiation.

I ended up leasing my wife’s X4 from McKenna, negotiated over email then just came in to sign and pick up the car. Irvine And Crevier wouldn’t do that for me. Didn’t try sterling but also didn’t hear good things about them. Her lease is up in a month and I’m going to do the same thing. Maybe try McKenna or South Bay BMW? OC dealerships have people throwing money at them. I found that they’re not too motivated to negotiate the new car prices. Just my experience. Good luck!

[LocksmithNick]

Originally Posted by synergx

I picked up a used 2012 x6 from crevier back in 2013 and it was an easy negotiation.

I ended up leasing my wife’s X4 from McKenna, negotiated over email then just came in to sign and pick up the car. Irvine And Crevier wouldn’t do that for me. Didn’t try sterling but also didn’t hear good things about them. Her lease is up in a month and I’m going to do the same thing. Maybe try McKenna or South Bay BMW? OC dealerships have people throwing money at them. I found that they’re not too motivated to negotiate the new car prices. Just my experience. Good luck!

Bro this thread is 5 years old

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by synergx

I picked up a used 2012 x6 from crevier back in 2013 and it was an easy negotiation.

I ended up leasing my wife’s X4 from McKenna, negotiated over email then just came in to sign and pick up the car. Irvine And Crevier wouldn’t do that for me. Didn’t try sterling but also didn’t hear good things about them. Her lease is up in a month and I’m going to do the same thing. Maybe try McKenna or South Bay BMW? OC dealerships have people throwing money at them. I found that they’re not too motivated to negotiate the new car prices. Just my experience. Good luck!

Why!!!!!