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      08-05-2013, 02:22 PM   #23
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I don't get reactions to the price/options of the F15. Take a look at the configurator. Build an X-line and look at how much is included. I've never heard of Porsche including Nav standard... You've always been able to option them high, I had a 74k E70 in '07. But I'm comparing a '13 sport to building a '14 x drive x-line and same equipment, based on what I want, same price. I can actually get a '14 cheaper by skipping some things I didn't want on the '13 but had to get just to get a damn back up camera.

It just depends on what you want.
I built a 2014 with the exact options as my 12 50. The 12 was 80k sticker and the 14 was 84k sticker.
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Yes, The White F15 was a late cycle tester. Still had a Serial Number and the Badges and roundels were covered. Usually in years past BMW has hesitated using early series production models for Company Use. Did not want a paying customer mad because the employee/company vehicle took a production slot. That all changed with the F10 M5 and the PC. The F10 M5's were at the PC very,very early compared to the arrival of customer cars. BMW might have decided the early exposure for the car is worth a few mad paying customers. I'm sure the F15 will be put into service at the PC. I'll let you know when I see them on the rocks... Thanks. PalBay
Thanks, I've got a PCD scheduled for Aug. 23...here's hoping they get those things in the mud by then!
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      08-05-2013, 02:29 PM   #25
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Keeping our E70 X5 for sure!
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Honestly its just the newer headlamps and interior is all I am seeing with the new X5. Not really worth moving over to the next platform.

And lets be clear, the new X5 is not a step up, more of a step in the right direction.
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      08-05-2013, 02:45 PM   #27
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Again i think most of the resentment towards the new car is due to buyers remorse from people with the 13's E70's. Nothing personal but I see this happen all the time and hell i would feel the same way myself.

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Just the opposite for us...we bought our E70 3 weeks ago because we didn't like what we saw coming with the F15. Basically, my wife hated the iPad style nav screen and the outside appearance just did not look as cohesive as the E70.
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      08-05-2013, 03:04 PM   #28
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The E70 still looks beautiful. I still need to get used to the rear end of the new one.
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Palbay - hope you don't mind - pasting some of your pics from another post here.

These are the best comparison pics I reckon. Confirmed for me that I made the right choice buying the 2013 E70 (exactly same colour/trim/wheels as this one) after seeing early pics of the F15. E70 looks like everything just fits together no questions asked. Back of F15 looks awkward/boxy. Top of F15 bonnet looks squashed/ a bit flat - done in an effort to try and make the car look more streamlined, but then met by a very upright cadillac type grill. A real mish mash. Compare this with the natural flow of the E70 bonnet which works well in proportion to the rest of the car. So - no remorse here. Would have been patient and waited if they had done what everyone had been hoping for - a genuinely exciting update - not a confused bunch of ideas that look like design by committee or maybe just a bad senior designer who managed to blag it (has to be more streamlined, has to have more status with the grille, has to be more like rest of family design cues - i.e. the back)
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      08-05-2013, 05:13 PM   #31
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I'm sorry, but the new X5 looks like it has Down's syndrome...
Hopefully it'll grow on us....
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      08-05-2013, 05:36 PM   #32
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I'm not sure that it has been covered on this board, but this isn't an entirely new vehicle. The F01/F10/etc. architecture was apparently deemed unsuitable for the F15, probably because it has resulted in such bloated vehicles. They went with an updated E70 architecture, which goes along way towards explaining the similar dimensions, side profile, etc. This has been covered on other forums, and isn't fully substantiated, but it certainly looks like an evolution of the E70 rather than based on the newer architecture.

I'm not unhappy with this, as I was hoping the X5 would shed some weight instead of suffering from the bloat of the 5 and 7, and I think my '11 35d holds its own against the '13 models fairly well. Hopefully the new 35d has lost a similar amount of weight as the 35i/50i, and I'm certain that the newer engine and 8 speed will improve the efficiency and performance. The only aspect of the looks that still bothers me a bit is the rear window and Aero Blades, which just don't look right in the pictures. This will likely look better in the metal, as most BMWs of late tend to do.
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Connecting the headlights to the grilles may give the impression of a wider car, but in the end it just makes the face of the car look like it has a unibrow.
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      08-05-2013, 09:25 PM   #34
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I don't get reactions to the price/options of the F15. Take a look at the configurator. Build an X-line and look at how much is included. I've never heard of Porsche including Nav standard... You've always been able to option them high, I had a 74k E70 in '07. But I'm comparing a '13 sport to building a '14 x drive x-line and same equipment, based on what I want, same price. I can actually get a '14 cheaper by skipping some things I didn't want on the '13 but had to get just to get a damn back up camera.

It just depends on what you want.
I built a 2014 with the exact options as my 12 50. The 12 was 80k sticker and the 14 was 84k sticker.
Fair enough, like I said, depends on what you want. For what I want, price is about the same.

But either way, Nav, moonroof, things like this standard? That's not "optioning out" like Porsche does.. Far from it. That was really the comment I was responding to. But even to all the comments about the higher price tag, I'm just saying price one out before you assume that's true. I assumed it was until I built one and realized for what I want, it could actually be cheaper, since I can now skip some options I wouldn't want.
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Haven't played much with the pricing. But seemed if wanted a dark headliner like my
sport active I had to go with a M spec. Also wanted auto dimming so had to go with
a $1,900 pkg. In the end it was about 5K more and not a diesel. Could have made
a cheaper one, but like the one have, has all the goodies except cold weather, so tried
to make a 14 similar.
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      08-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #36
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Connecting the headlights to the grilles may give the impression of a wider car, but in the end it just makes the face of the car look like it has a unibrow.

remember the cyclops rear end of the E65 7 series? these connected lights to kidney grille reminds me of that blunder

E70 X5 with new F interior would have been right answer. New body is lame in the back and ugly in the front.

And more expensive btw.
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      08-06-2013, 07:18 PM   #37
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Visual tastes are subjective but my reasons are identified by pink circles on the attached picture.

The side profile to me looks to resemble a minivan with the slant downwards of the back end.

The rear looks exactly like a X3 which I find it to be ugly with the tail lights slanting upwards.

The front is just disaster for me. Following the current F series the headlights extend to the grill in a awkward way... I think the front air dam or inlet looks weird and kind of resembles the pre-LCI of the E70 which I didn't like either. The current E70 Air inlet looks much better and resembles the M Sport or ///M.

I suspect the LCI F15 will have better visual enhancements. Hopefully the front will be improved!


As I have mentioned before, the interior to me is much nicer though!

But then again I did skip the F10 ( exterior looks and steering feel ) after having 2 E60's in the past 6+ years..
well put, I agree with everything you said. the new x5 looks weird, I really believe in love at first sight as that is an uncompromised approach to things because, as it happens to songs when you hear em on the radio over and over again, everything will grow up on the public eventually if properly advertised. when I saw the past x5 I fell in love immediately, same thing happened with the e46 and the e85 z4 etc those cars stirred something inside me and made me say to myself wow. this new x5 falls in the other category, the one filled with cars that don't look bad but won't make you remember em after seeing them pass down the street and I guess is because it has some awkward design elements that don't fully match together like the weirdo frontlights and air ducts and the strange rear.
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btw, looking at the last palbay pictures, the new x5 looks like the retarded younger son following his football star player brother lol and that's not a nice thing specially as it is supposed to be bigger
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This headlight connection to the grill needs to stop. It's horrible. The grills are impossibly too big for some of the new models. It doesn't flow. That and the more vertical front end of everything new they have designed. It's bad. It's so bad.

I do like the side mirrors on the F15 X5 though.
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well put, I agree with everything you said. the new x5 looks weird, I really believe in love at first sight as that is an uncompromised approach to things because, as it happens to songs when you hear em on the radio over and over again, everything will grow up on the public eventually if properly advertised. when I saw the past x5 I fell in love immediately, same thing happened with the e46 and the e85 z4 etc those cars stirred something inside me and made me say to myself wow. this new x5 falls in the other category, the one filled with cars that don't look bad but won't make you remember em after seeing them pass down the street and I guess is because it has some awkward design elements that don't fully match together like the weirdo frontlights and air ducts and the strange rear.
And I in return agree with you as well.. Why should I let the new X5 looks and appeal "grow on me" when I fell in love with the E70 instantly...

My standards are higher than some I guess..
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This headlight connection to the grill needs to stop. It's horrible. The grills are impossibly too big for some of the new models. It doesn't flow. That and the more vertical front end of everything new they have designed. It's bad. It's so bad.

I do like the side mirrors on the F15 X5 though.
Yep! The connection of the grill and headlights work beautifully for the concept i8 car.. but for some odd reason it just doesn't flow well for me with the F15.

All of my comments are just my opinion from my attention to detail perspective
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Yep! The connection of the grill and headlights work beautifully for the concept i8 car.. but for some odd reason it just doesn't flow well for me with the F15.

All of my comments are just my opinion from my attention to detail perspective
it doesn't flow because its design was meant for a low riding sports car not a 5000 lb SUV. Its like trying to add sleekness while at the same time turning the front end into vertical semi-truck look. RR sport, Cayenne, etc are MORE (visually) aerodynamic in the front vs. outgoing models. Why BMW is going in opposite direction i don't get.
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it doesn't flow because its design was meant for a low riding sports car not a 5000 lb SUV. Its like trying to add sleekness while at the same time turning the front end into vertical semi-truck look. RR sport, Cayenne, etc are MORE (visually) aerodynamic in the front vs. outgoing models. Why BMW is going in opposite direction i don't get.
I think the fact that BMW is trying to streamline their design ques is part of the reason... if you look at all the F series the fronts are similiar along with the back.. similiar lines on the profile.. etc. etc..

They did this with the E series as well but at least the E series looked good
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Give me the F15 INTERIOR with the E70 M package EXTERIOR with some fat lady tires ... and I'm happy as a pig in wet mud.
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