Los Angeles *A strange motorcycle accident* !

[P1]

Painful to watch the two guys in the car have zero emotion. Painful to hear the biker speak.

[Meeni]

Originally Posted by dzvero

This ^ . You cant change direction to fast or brake hard in a bike. It will be more dangerous.

Of course you can. There was plenty of time between the initial occurence to brake to a controlled stop. The rider did not brake -at all-, not even the hands on the brakes. He was not watching, or he used exclusively the rear brake. Had he reacted promptly and brakes with the front brake he had enough room to stop.

[xQx]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

The Camry is at fault because of the double lines but the biker was not driving defensively. There's major traffic and you're speeding in the adjacent lane. To add to that, you're driving a bike which is difficult for anybody to see, especially when it comes out of nowhere going over 80 mph.

This.

I have the same philosophy driving as i do riding: if you're going faster than the rest of the traffic, or behaving in any way that people wont expect, the onus is on you to leave enough room to react and anticipate people cutting you off.

Especially on a bike, because you're the one who's going to end up dead.

I had one rule drilled into me when I was learning to ride: Act like you're invisible to the cars.

I mean, obviously the car in front is at fault (im assuming it was illegal to cross into that lane?) But the rider should've been riding more defensively.

Does anyone else here naturally count cars / watch exits when driving? If he wasn't on autopilot he should've at least seen it was congested ahead and slowed for the path - or if he was driving in 'sport aware' mode, would've seen that the lane that the car came from was open and he had an exit by tucking between the same two cars that car did.

Blaming the other car and posting this shit on youtube saying "watch before you merge" is the attitude of a rider who's going to an early grave.

This is a story of John O'Day
Who died maintaining his right of way
He was right, dead right, as he sailed along
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.

[obert]

For all that say they could have avoided that your a joke!

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by xQx

This.

I have the same philosophy driving as i do riding: if you're going faster than the rest of the traffic, or behaving in any way that people wont expect, the onus is on you to leave enough room to react and anticipate people cutting you off.

Especially on a bike, because you're the one who's going to end up dead.

I had one rule drilled into me when I was learning to ride: Act like you're invisible to the cars.

I mean, obviously the car in front is at fault (im assuming it was illegal to cross into that lane?) But the rider should've been riding more defensively.

Does anyone else here naturally count cars / watch exits when driving? If he wasn't on autopilot he should've at least seen it was congested ahead and slowed for the path - or if he was driving in 'sport aware' mode, would've seen that the lane that the car came from was open and he had an exit by tucking between the same two cars that car did.

Blaming the other car and posting this shit on youtube saying "watch before you merge" is the attitude of a rider who's going to an early grave.

This is a story of John O'Day
Who died maintaining his right of way
He was right, dead right, as he sailed along
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.

He was too busy hamming it up for his Youtube channel to notice what was going on around him. As others have stated in this thread and watched some of his videos, he could have been looking to make a situation to add to his posted videos of yet another clueless cager, but got in over his head. Also, the hypocrite complains about someone crossing the solid lane marker yet in one of his videos that I saw personally he does the same thing. Plus his intro to all his videos proudly shows him riding on the sidewalk. Yeah, he's the epitome of riding responsibility.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by obert

For all that say they could have avoided that your a joke!

I was in my S4 and this happened to me and I avoided a collision. I wouldn't have been going that fast with stand still traffic in the main lanes because I know some idiot could just pull in. It's called defensive driving. This idiot motorcyclist is an offensive driver. Look at his other videos. He's looking for trouble.

[Kolyan2k]

Guy on the bike is an idiot too. According to comments, he deleted all his videos where he rides offensively

[wdb]

Didn't watch the whole thing, didn't read the whole thread. Has anyone mentioned the fact that the biker was going considerably faster than the other traffic? Hard to judge from a video but he was passing everything.

A former coworker was riding his motorcycle home one night in the rain. Came to a traffic light that changed just as he and the car ahead approached. Car stopped, he couldn't. Flew over the roof and landed on the hood of the car!

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by wdb

Didn't watch the whole thing, didn't read the whole thread. Has anyone mentioned the fact that the biker was going considerably faster than the other traffic? Hard to judge from a video but he was passing everything.

A former coworker was riding his motorcycle home one night in the rain. Came to a traffic light that changed just as he and the car ahead approached. Car stopped, he couldn't. Flew over the roof and landed on the hood of the car!

Yes, I've mentioned it in at least one of my replies in this thread.

[Navy Doc]

Originally Posted by obert

For all that say they could have avoided that your a joke!

I could have avoided that collision. Been in many situations, while riding, similar to the video. Been cut off, turned left in front of me, hard braking in front of me etc....etc. yet I managed to avoid a collision using hard breaking and maneuvering. If you watch the video the rider did nothing other than run straight into the back of the car. Maybe he used his rear breaks only. If that's the case then he is more of a dumbass........because anyone that rides knows that your front brakes gives you the majority of your stopping power.

[IrvineTim]

what he should have done was, accelerate, and wheelie up and over the trunk of the car and continue over the roof of the vehicle, then hood, and fly off the front hood, and keep on going. Thats what I would have done

[MalibuBimmer]

Did the bike rider know he wasn't going to hit the car that hard but that it would make a great video? Was this done on purpose?

[jmg]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

Did the bike rider know he wasn't going to hit the car that hard but that it would make a great video? Was this done on purpose?

Yes and yes.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by jmg

Yes and yes.

Did he know he would end up on the truck and then make it to bimmerpost?

[MalibuBimmer]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

Did he know he would end up on the truck and then make it to bimmerpost?

What truck?

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

What truck?

sorry trunk...bootlid..etc.

[zx10guy]

That's probably what the rider thought hit him after the impact.

[Alfisti]

50/50 to me, both at fault.

The car for obvious reasons but the rider was a fucking idiot too. It's pretty clear that traffic is beginning to bottle neck and he just goes barrelling in at way, way too fast a speed into a situation where this could happen.

My gut reaction right from the start was to slow down as he gave himself zero margin.

[socale39]

As a rider myself who spent many years carving the traffic through Southern California, the biker should have known better than to be going that fast, especially coming up to slow traffic regardless if his lane is open or not. I've noticed this same mentality with a lot of bikers lately blasting through traffic and splitting lanes. This is the perfect example of the risk you take when you aren't considering your surroundings.

Don't get me wrong, the driver of the car is clearly at fault but this is just a reminder of how exposed you are as a biker to the smallest lapse in judgement.

[fbsm]

Originally Posted by Beartato

Why are we blaming the guy on the bike? The idiots in the car made the illegal move. Everyone's so quick to judge but this guy had about 2 seconds to react, he didn't have the luxury like we do of watching it over and over on Youtube to figure out the best plan of action.

As a rider myself I really wanna strangle those guys in the car.

Car made an illegal move but the bike had more than enough time/distance to slow down and/or take action to avoid a collision.

[Beartato]

Originally Posted by fbsm

Car made an illegal move but the bike had more than enough time/distance to slow down and/or take action to avoid a collision.

I'm not taking this bait, if you'd have read the rest of thread after my comment you'd see we've already discussed this.

[DETRoadster]

Originally Posted by socale39

As a rider myself who spent many years carving the traffic through Southern California, the biker should have known better than to be going that fast, especially coming up to slow traffic regardless if his lane is open or not. I've noticed this same mentality with a lot of bikers lately blasting through traffic and splitting lanes. This is the perfect example of the risk you take when you aren't considering your surroundings.

Don't get me wrong, the driver of the car is clearly at fault but this is just a reminder of how exposed you are as a biker to the smallest lapse in judgement.

This ^^^ Spot on!

Being in a fast moving lane next to a slow moving lane is the number one scenario that scares the piss out of me when riding. The differential in speed that this guy was carrying was what lead to him being in this situation. The car was at fault for pulling blindly into his lane but the guy on the bike was 110% responsible for putting himself into a situation that he could not correct for. He should have scrubbed some speed and moved over to the left to give himself maximum time to react should this exact scenario unfold.

Some of us ride sport bikes with ABS and others of us ride big heavy choppers that dont change direction well. Others still ride old clapped out POS bikes with bald tires and sketchy brakes. Some of us have years of track experience and others are beginners. The point is, you have to ride knowing the limits of your bike, your skills, and your environment. This guy was riding outside all three, in my opinion.