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Like there is truly a i4 in the works. But I will be damned there is a sub forum for the i4. The reason they'd call it the Z5 is for the same ridiculously reason BMW re-named the 3er Coupe the 4er. ///More money. |
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"Had" been calling it the Z5.
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05-26-2017, 09:03 AM | #513 |
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When it comes to the likely name of the car, I would tend to put more stock in what was said by BMW Americas head Ludwig Willisch, over speculation from folks outside BMW, even if they are knowledgeable car folks. But hey - what's in a name? And we'll know soon enough when the car is released to the public.
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05-26-2017, 11:01 AM | #516 |
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Difficult to understand why you still think this should be debated. It was commonly referred to here and in the press as a Z5 earlier in the vehicle's development. Now, because of comments by a top BMW official, it is being referred to as the Z4. That's it. Let's move on.
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BMW Z4 Concept Reportedly Headed To Pebble Beach
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agreed. Why was E89 M never offered? Design issues? I know on the E46, they had to do a different driveshaft. I'm guessing cannibalization. A proper Z4 M will probably be faster than any M3. It's akin to selling a Cayman faster than a comparable 911. It just won't happen.
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The e89 wasnt compatibe with the m3 tech at the time.
The e89 basically has a 1 series front suspension and an x3 rear suspension. So the m3 rear axle could not be mounted to the e89 chassis and developping a seperate rear axle with lsd is way way too expensive for those few e89's that have been sold. So at the first basic engineering that bmw started they already decided that no e89m would be made, because of the archtecture they chose.
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06-03-2017, 11:30 AM | #521 | |
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Now for the Lsd, BMW chose to go with an e-diff which uses rear brakes to simulate an lsd. If they wanted to they could easily put a traditional lsd in. But as we all know the e89 was not a commercial success. Being one of the least selling models didn't justify an M version. But to think that BMW purposely made the e89 with out an M model in mind is foolish. There have been articles stating that there were internal discussions to make an M model. |
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1 series and 3 series front is virtually the same Rear is NOT based on e46. It looks like e46, but look at the upper control arms: not aluminium but pressed steel. This type of fabrication has the x3 also. But the e85/e46 not. This is not tech from the e46. This part is not fitted on the e85. So its more akin with the e83 than with the e85/e46. The only part it shares with the e85 (same part# so 100% swappable) are the rear lower suspension arms. Everything else has no same partnumbers (bushings maybe, but not the arms and subframes) Or do you also have a rear e46 m3 axle in it? Would be interesting to build one. I wonder if it has been done yet (I can think of a few interesting problems that have to be tackled...) Quote:
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BMW is not the kind of manufacturer that'll make special parts on completely different tech in small numbers. Putting in a diff from a 3rd party is way way too expensive. The $700 or so for a different diff will result in a multitude of that up on the sales price. And I think the 35is also has that welded diff system? that makes it even more complex. Far too complex to just alter it. Quote:
When they chose the rear axle architecture they knew an LSD was not possible anymore. E46 m3 diffs arent made anymore, if you order one, you get a refurb (goes for any e46/e85 diff afaik; all rmfd/rebuilds) Everthing in car manufacture is about what platform you use. That determines what's possibe within reasonable margin. BMW will never make an M without proper LSD and it will always use an LSD for that that is in their partsprogram. Z3m has an lsd from the e36 (inner core e36, outer casing stock z3), e85 z4m has the e46 m3 rear axle with diff, but the e89 cant have the e90 m3 axle.Thus no e89m. If it was that simple as you think it is they would have done it. Look at the e86m. Sold in very few numbers, but still they did it because it was easily possible. They had the parts.
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I'd never agree to this but...
Since BMW ///M is more of a marketing machine nowadays, they should have just badged the E89 Z4 35is an M. Same engine as in the 1M (which IMO should have been called the 135is). Would have sold like hot cakes. I guess they've learned their lesson by M badge whoring out the rest of the lineup nowadays (M240i, M760i, etc.) |
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Both are now (well, since almost 2 decades) 'aquired technologies' for a true 'M' model. So if they'd call the 35is an //M it would be a sub par //M for the people who have in depth knowledge on automotive tech. It should have been in the M performance lineup if you transpose it to the current lineup. Just like the e82 135i. But so would every sub top model of previous generations.
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