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      12-24-2015, 03:20 PM   #45
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Stop looking at numbers! Porsche Cayenne Turbo is the best in class! Quality components + best handling! Those that don't agree about handling, never drove a Porsche turbo! Don't have enough money for Porsche, go and buy BMW X5/6 M.
Unfortunately I have to agree. After driving them both I can say that Porsche has better brakes and is car for all purposes with much better quality.

Car I tested had 4000km on clock and I would say that I do not belive the 3.7 time. More like 4.5 as compared to 435xd. Also too many rattles and squaks for a brand new car.

Hope that Porsche brings it to another level with new cayanne. (X6M is looking way better than Porsche outside)
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      12-24-2015, 03:59 PM   #46
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This is kinda surprising to see but welcomed news nonetheless
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      12-24-2015, 04:28 PM   #47
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SVR tested with the narrower 21" all season tires (vs the 295 22" inch summer tires) - so the times and handling stats aren't really apples to apples.
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      12-24-2015, 05:09 PM   #48
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The X6M was faster than the M3?! I may have to rethink a lot of my life choices. If i could only see out the back of the X6's tiny window, i would get this as my daily.
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      12-24-2015, 05:37 PM   #49
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Jnosol , are you sure ?

For example , in Europe we have the X5 M50d , tri-turbo diesel engine , 381 HP announced by BMW.
After trying a few F15 M50d on the Dyno , the maximum power was 345 HP.

I doubt very much that our F85's have more than announced , even with a higher octane.
I'm filling in 98 octane all the time.
They beat me to the response below.

BMW is starting to beat Audi in their own game of understating power output. All the new Ms are now hiding power output. The new M3/M4 for example, makes 480+HP to the crank (not 430HP).

That's why we were so shocked how Audis were able to have better numbers on the track compared to BMWs in the past, but they have the same power and more weight. The secret is on the dyno, Audi S cars were making way more power than advertised. BMW M division are doing the exact same thing, LOL.

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Read the Dinan tread, BMW understated M car horsepower, by a lot.
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      12-24-2015, 06:23 PM   #50
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These so called luxury trucks are cute and all for the wife that wants to drive fast....but when I think of or want a big, comfortable, useful,purpose built SUV/truck......I'm looking at an Escalade or Yukon Denali. These are fast don't get me wrong, just confusing.
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These so called luxury trucks are cute and all for the wife that wants to drive fast....but when I think of or want a big, comfortable, useful,purpose built SUV/truck......I'm looking at an Escalade or Yukon Denali. These are fast don't get me wrong, just confusing.
That's your opinion, I think the X5M is a machine, it's a monster and it's awesome to drive.
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These so called luxury trucks are cute and all for the wife that wants to drive fast....but when I think of or want a big, comfortable, useful,purpose built SUV/truck......I'm looking at an Escalade or Yukon Denali. These are fast don't get me wrong, just confusing.
That's your opinion, I think the X5M is a machine, it's a monster and it's awesome to drive.
X5 M = beast. That is all.
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Stop looking at numbers! Porsche Cayenne Turbo is the best in class! Quality components + best handling! Those that don't agree about handling, never drove a Porsche turbo! Don't have enough money for Porsche, go and buy BMW X5/6 M.
Shots. Fired.
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These so called luxury trucks are cute and all for the wife that wants to drive fast....but when I think of or want a big, comfortable, useful,purpose built SUV/truck......I'm looking at an Escalade or Yukon Denali. These are fast don't get me wrong, just confusing.
Not so cute when you get owned by an X5M on the road or track. It's as fast as an E92 M3 on the Nurburgring and just as quick as the new M3/M4 on the straight. It corners at .98G, not many sport cars can come close. With a tune, it runs low 11s.

It's a monster. I came from an F80 M3. The X5M is at another level as far as luxury, sound, and power.

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Stop looking at numbers! Porsche Cayenne Turbo is the best in class! Quality components + best handling! Those that don't agree about handling, never drove a Porsche turbo! Don't have enough money for Porsche, go and buy BMW X5/6 M.
Would have to disagree with you 1000%. This isn't a comparison between a GTR (non-luxury sport) and 911 Turbo (luxury super car), I would take the 911 regardless what the figure claims due to looks, luxury, and residual value alone.

The X5M laps the Cayenne Turbo S in performance, looks, and technology. Both are in the same car class (luxury sport SAV). Both will depreciate just as fast.

People in this car category are not foolish. They've done the test drives, research, and can afford the Porsche if it truly was a better car. So the arm chair warriors are quick to make these ridiculous comments without rations nor own both cars before.
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      12-24-2015, 09:24 PM   #56
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Sir - Sorry to repost this on the forum! I did not noticed you covered this already. I will deleted..
Nah, don't worry about it.
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      12-24-2015, 09:30 PM   #57
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Good answer! The overall quality and handling for me is more important than 0-60 times! That's why Porsche owners don't mind spending extra money! I never said anything bad about X5/6 M. I just said that Cayenne Turbo is a clear winner in this comparison. Of course you guys are not going to agree. It's a BMW forum, right? Enjoy your cars guys!
You know this is a BMW forum and yet here you are. I used to own a Cayenne GTS and I still love my 911 GT3, but I love my X5M much better than Cayenne. Oh, my friend got a 16 Cayenne turbo and He hates it, end up trading in for a Macan, which in my opinion is far better than Cayenne.
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I rented a cayenne recently. While assuredly the base model, I was surprised how bland it was. No power, crappy interior, outdated entertainment system UI.

I am sure the maxed our cayenne turbo s is a better comparison, but I do not see it beating the x5m or x6m. Just sharing a platform with vw vehicles makes it "lesser than", imo. Dollar for dollar, it definitely seems like a worse value.

The brakes actually seem better on the rental cayenne, however...
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      12-24-2015, 10:23 PM   #59
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Why even bring the yukon or denali into this discussion? Might as well say you prefer the veyron.
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      12-24-2015, 10:32 PM   #60
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The exhaust note on the GLE...
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      12-24-2015, 11:15 PM   #61
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Cayenne was just refreshed for 2016. Won't see next gen till 2019.
Hmm...I have been reading 2017.
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      12-24-2015, 11:31 PM   #62
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Hmm...I have been reading 2017.
Same. 2017 or 2018 at the latest.
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      12-24-2015, 11:52 PM   #63
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I really like the look of that new merc-- seen a few on the road
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I don't like the GLE coupe at all, the side specially the rear quarter looks utterly tall, the black center wheels make it look smaller than it is, and the nav screen is small. But it does have good exhaust notes as to all AMG engines.
Once thing M should improve is the engine sound.
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Lol and please don't bring Escalade and Yukon in this comparison, they serve different purpose, but if I was to buy a luxo cruiser SUV, I would get a Range Rover. I did consider a Range Rover when buying my M, but decided to go with sport than comfort. Maybe get my wife the RR when she gets better in her driving.
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Stop looking at numbers! Porsche Cayenne Turbo is the best in class! Quality components + best handling! Those that don't agree about handling, never drove a Porsche turbo! Don't have enough money for Porsche, go and buy BMW X5/6 M.
Pretty aggressive comment, especially considering that the X6M was fastest around the track by a long shot, and that time difference wasnt built up on the straights. Hell, the X6M was even faster than the F80 M3 around the track!
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