Did anyone consider the full size Range Rover?

Bibendum · 02-23-2014, 12:52 PM

Once you start optioning up the X5 it starts getting close in price. Real close.

gblansten · 02-23-2014, 01:07 PM

Close for those who purchase but the Rover is light years more expensive for those who lease.

jlstyle · 02-23-2014, 01:28 PM

But that is like base RR with no option vs almost fully loaded X5 5.0...
Once you even play with simple color combo on RR, you easily go over $90k without selecting any options. I don't think RR and X5 is in a same league unless we are comparing X5 vs RR sports.
And RR just feels more luxurious in the cabin even without options IMO.

wdimagineer · 02-23-2014, 02:24 PM

I looked at the RRS and ordered one initially before rates were finalized. They are more expensive to lease and are substantially back ordered. The cabin is nicer to me, owing simply to the vast range of colors and options, but the tech leaves a lot to be desired.

This plus their sketchy reliability history led me back to BMW.

midwest 340xi 6sp · 02-23-2014, 03:37 PM

RRS is sexy as hell imo.

Their leases suck - and I lease...So it's not an option for me...

For those who buy or $$ is no object? Go for it!

Bibendum · 02-23-2014, 06:47 PM

Well, that sucked.

All you guys are 100% correct.

Wdimagineer totally agree with you. The tech in the RR does seem 5 years outdated especially small things like the backup cameras that sort of seem like a non issue until it just makes the car seem out of date. I also totally don't get the jaguar style shifter -- if feels like you are calling in settings to the engine room.p

If only they had the RR with BMW tech -- wait, they tried that...!

Lease rates are miserable on all RR products. Imputed interest is close to 7% and residuals are very soft. Plus, and here is the kicker, dealers are charging anywhere from $10-15k OVER sticker.

Feels like someone is partying like it is 1999...but not me.

ZuerstBMW · 02-24-2014, 12:44 AM

Plus they end up in the shop more than you can drive them. Seems like a pain in the arse.

Armen383 · 02-24-2014, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bibendum

Once you start optioning up the X5 it starts getting close in price. Real close.

1) As much as RRS might be ahead of F15 in terms of interior luxury, BMW is light years ahead of RR in terms of tech. I chose the latter.
2) I don't know about reliability of the new RR (new RR owners say it's better, but coming from people who also owned the old RR that's VERY subjective

and too early to tell anyway), but you definitely needed to have two old RRs: one to drive while the other one was repaired.

wdimagineer · 02-24-2014, 01:59 AM

Dismal tech and service always put me off. It's why I've steered clear of many marques like RR, Jaguar, Ferrari, Maserati, etc.

As much as I would love to be "that guy" and turn heads, I use all of my in-car systems daily. If they're not up to task the driving experience is soured.

The only better experience I've had that not only turned heads but had the bells and whistles was my Tesla. But even that became frustrating.

BMW I think got it right with everything in the F15. I can't wait to have mine.

Roundown · 02-24-2014, 07:50 AM

Agree- I'd love a RRS V8 with an X5 interior/tech.

Poindexter · 02-24-2014, 11:06 AM

I like a lot of options, leasing, and diesel. At the end of the day the difference was nearly $30,000 on the purchase price and OMG ridiculously hideous on a lease + no diesel in the States.

someguy · 02-24-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wdimagineer

The only better experience I've had that not only turned heads but had the bells and whistles was my Tesla. But even that became frustrating.

Apologies for derailing the thread a bit, but:

What became frustrating about your Tesla?

wdimagineer · 02-24-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by someguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdimagineer

The only better experience I've had that not only turned heads but had the bells and whistles was my Tesla. But even that became frustrating.

Apologies for derailing the thread a bit, but:

What became frustrating about your Tesla?

Operating the touch screen while driving was my biggest complaint. With no tactile or haptic feedback I would often hit the wrong thing.

Also some of the earlier versions of the software left me scratching my head. For instance, when we finally got direction of travel on the nav map, Tesla only licensed flat north up tiles from Google. So when going south, all your street labels were upside down.

Just silly little things really.

XZeb · 02-24-2014, 05:05 PM

Apart from snob value I can't see what the appeal is with range rovers. The design is basically shoe box on wheels. My 3 year old could probably come up with something a bit more imaginative.

dn325ci · 02-24-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by XZeb

Apart from snob value I can't see what the appeal is with range rovers. The design is basically shoe box on wheels. My 3 year old could probably come up with something a bit more imaginative.

Word. Styling is way better on F15. Wasn't even tempted by the ancient RR styling or it's neanderthal tech.

newbimmerx5 · 02-24-2014, 07:34 PM

RR Full size and X5 totally different both in price and league.

X5 VS RRS is challenging. Both has pros and cons and there is no clear winner. However, with demand and over sticker price, I am sure BMW would cost atleast 10 to 15K cheaper. Plus BMW comes with 4 year warranty.

BMWMN1971 · 02-28-2014, 10:54 PM

The F15 is my 4th X5 in the last 8 years and it is the best I ever had. I find the Range Rover a beautiful car and the look is way more impressive than the X5. It looks bigger and more car. However, the technology still lives in the Stone Age and you can lease almost two X5 for the cost of leasing a Range Rover both having the same MSRP.

sl0westz · 03-01-2014, 08:32 AM

there is no point of leasing a range rover.... you can buy a full size range rover and drive it for 10k miles and sell it or even trade it in for msrp... i have a 2014 RRS with 78k msrp, have about 5k miles on it right now... im looking to get a full size and dealer offers msrp on a trade in.. not to mention they sell for 20k over msrp if selling private party

vzm3 · 03-01-2014, 09:33 AM

I love the idea of a range, but they never have good lease deals!

mattbar1 · 03-01-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sl0westz

there is no point of leasing a range rover.... you can buy a full size range rover and drive it for 10k miles and sell it or even trade it in for msrp... i have a 2014 RRS with 78k msrp, have about 5k miles on it right now... im looking to get a full size and dealer offers msrp on a trade in.. not to mention they sell for 20k over msrp if selling private party

This seems flawed. If you buy for 20k or so over msrp. And you drive it. And then sell it for msrp. It is depreciated like any other vehicle. Not sure the advantage.

sl0westz · 03-02-2014, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mattbar1

This seems flawed. If you buy for 20k or so over msrp. And you drive it. And then sell it for msrp. It is depreciated like any other vehicle. Not sure the advantage.

when you buy from dealer, most dealer sell at msrp on a brand new car... and when you trade it in it becomes used... and dealer take it in at msrp and add about 20k on top for resell... not sure why, but if you in the market for range rover, you can look at the prices currently going for... people buy them and then resell it for 40k more than what they paid for...

Pauldramos · 03-02-2014, 05:01 PM

I've had 3 RR. 2004 RR. 2006 RR SC Westminster. 2011 RR SC Sport. I actually liked the sport the best. I've also had the first my x5 and currently have a 2012 X5 5.0 with Dinan Stage 2. The x5 is my overall preference for my intended use. If I spent more time in the back country the RR is wonderful. For family and daily use the BMW with all it's features are superior. Now having said that I'm currently looking at a 2014 X5 3.5d. May switch to that...

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Bibendum Private First Class 22 Rep 172 Posts Drives: 2013 M5 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	Did anyone consider the full size Range Rover? Once you start optioning up the X5 it starts getting close in price. Real close.
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gblansten Brigadier General 1977 Rep 4,225 Posts Drives: 23 Tesla S Plaid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Thick ascending limb iTrader: (0)	Close for those who purchase but the Rover is light years more expensive for those who lease.
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jlstyle Lieutenant Colonel 355 Rep 1,762 Posts Drives: Porsche Panamera Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 Audi S7 [0.00] 2015 BMW X5 [0.00]	But that is like base RR with no option vs almost fully loaded X5 5.0... Once you even play with simple color combo on RR, you easily go over $90k without selecting any options. I don't think RR and X5 is in a same league unless we are comparing X5 vs RR sports. And RR just feels more luxurious in the cabin even without options IMO.
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wdimagineer Major 358 Rep 1,377 Posts Drives: 2015 X5 M Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (0)	I looked at the RRS and ordered one initially before rates were finalized. They are more expensive to lease and are substantially back ordered. The cabin is nicer to me, owing simply to the vast range of colors and options, but the tech leaves a lot to be desired. This plus their sketchy reliability history led me back to BMW. __________________ Current: 2015 X5 M - Donington Grey/Mugello Red - DINANTRONICS Stage 2 + Free Flow Exhaust - Bimmerpost Featured! Past: Bimmerpost Featured 2014 X5 xDrive50i · 2014 Jeep SRT · 2013 Tesla Model S P85+ · Bimmerpost Featured 2013 F10 M5 · 2012 550 xDrive · 2011 M3 ZCP
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midwest 340xi 6sp Lieutenant Colonel 360 Rep 1,797 Posts Drives: 2018 340xi Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Great Midwest iTrader: (6)	RRS is sexy as hell imo. Their leases suck - and I lease...So it's not an option for me... For those who buy or $$ is no object? Go for it! __________________ Previous Rides: 535xi, M235xi, X3, E92 M3, E70 X5 35d, X6 50i, X6 35i, E60 550i, E46 M3 Cabriolet, E39 540i, E36 328i
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Bibendum Private First Class 22 Rep 172 Posts Drives: 2013 M5 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	Well, that sucked. All you guys are 100% correct. Wdimagineer totally agree with you. The tech in the RR does seem 5 years outdated especially small things like the backup cameras that sort of seem like a non issue until it just makes the car seem out of date. I also totally don't get the jaguar style shifter -- if feels like you are calling in settings to the engine room.p If only they had the RR with BMW tech -- wait, they tried that...! Lease rates are miserable on all RR products. Imputed interest is close to 7% and residuals are very soft. Plus, and here is the kicker, dealers are charging anywhere from $10-15k OVER sticker. Feels like someone is partying like it is 1999...but not me.
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wdimagineer Major 358 Rep 1,377 Posts Drives: 2015 X5 M Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (0)	Dismal tech and service always put me off. It's why I've steered clear of many marques like RR, Jaguar, Ferrari, Maserati, etc. As much as I would love to be "that guy" and turn heads, I use all of my in-car systems daily. If they're not up to task the driving experience is soured. The only better experience I've had that not only turned heads but had the bells and whistles was my Tesla. But even that became frustrating. BMW I think got it right with everything in the F15. I can't wait to have mine. __________________ Current: 2015 X5 M - Donington Grey/Mugello Red - DINANTRONICS Stage 2 + Free Flow Exhaust - Bimmerpost Featured! Past: Bimmerpost Featured 2014 X5 xDrive50i · 2014 Jeep SRT · 2013 Tesla Model S P85+ · Bimmerpost Featured 2013 F10 M5 · 2012 550 xDrive · 2011 M3 ZCP
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Roundown Colonel 576 Rep 2,353 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New England iTrader: (0)	Agree- I'd love a RRS V8 with an X5 interior/tech.
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Poindexter Revenge of the Nerds 13 Rep 117 Posts Drives: X5 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Burlington, VT iTrader: (0)	I like a lot of options, leasing, and diesel. At the end of the day the difference was nearly $30,000 on the purchase price and OMG ridiculously hideous on a lease + no diesel in the States. __________________ 2012 BMW X5d - Sold as of Mar 5th 2014 BMW X5d - Delivery on Feb 27th Past Bimmers: E46 M3, E60 M5, and a few Spec E30 race cars
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XZeb Private 0 Rep 55 Posts Drives: X5 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Apart from snob value I can't see what the appeal is with range rovers. The design is basically shoe box on wheels. My 3 year old could probably come up with something a bit more imaginative.
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newbimmerx5 Second Lieutenant 67 Rep 259 Posts Drives: BMW X5 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	RR Full size and X5 totally different both in price and league. X5 VS RRS is challenging. Both has pros and cons and there is no clear winner. However, with demand and over sticker price, I am sure BMW would cost atleast 10 to 15K cheaper. Plus BMW comes with 4 year warranty.
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BMWMN1971 Lieutenant 163 Rep 533 Posts Drives: 2014 BMW X5 xDrive35i MSport Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: MN iTrader: (0)	The F15 is my 4th X5 in the last 8 years and it is the best I ever had. I find the Range Rover a beautiful car and the look is way more impressive than the X5. It looks bigger and more car. However, the technology still lives in the Stone Age and you can lease almost two X5 for the cost of leasing a Range Rover both having the same MSRP.
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sl0westz Second Lieutenant 24 Rep 202 Posts Drives: AW e92 m3 ess vt1. AW F10 m5 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NY iTrader: (6)	there is no point of leasing a range rover.... you can buy a full size range rover and drive it for 10k miles and sell it or even trade it in for msrp... i have a 2014 RRS with 78k msrp, have about 5k miles on it right now... im looking to get a full size and dealer offers msrp on a trade in.. not to mention they sell for 20k over msrp if selling private party __________________ AW ess vt1535/ gintani axle back SOLD AW f10 m5 /akra full exhaust SOLD SG e92 m3/ AA SC Current
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vzm3 Member 43 Rep 268 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Miami iTrader: (1)	I love the idea of a range, but they never have good lease deals!
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Pauldramos 27 Rep 420 Posts Drives: Dinan '11 M3 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Solvang, CA iTrader: (1)	I've had 3 RR. 2004 RR. 2006 RR SC Westminster. 2011 RR SC Sport. I actually liked the sport the best. I've also had the first my x5 and currently have a 2012 X5 5.0 with Dinan Stage 2. The x5 is my overall preference for my intended use. If I spent more time in the back country the RR is wonderful. For family and daily use the BMW with all it's features are superior. Now having said that I'm currently looking at a 2014 X5 3.5d. May switch to that...
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