35i or 35d? Why?

[yewlock]

0-60 take off is faster, with MPPK and Chip tunes its fast!
Smell of diesel bothers me
Don't want to deal with the maintenance issues with EGR and Soot build up[/QUOTE]
I do a lot of short trip or 1-2 miles to meet clients during the day so diesel do not make much sense. Diesel make more sense for long distance.

[Chadmatic]

Originally Posted by Kzang

Smell of diesel bothers me

Originally Posted by 1gkek

Smell of diesel bothers me too.

Originally Posted by kj71109

Came to post this. Warm weather starts you can smell the tailpipe and there's not a hint of smell. Just crazy.

Really cold weather is another story. It's been below zero here off and on for a couple weeks and on those really cold days, if you have to sit Idling for a little bit, you will smell the exhaust if you get out around the rear of the car or open the rear passenger door. It's the one and only complaint I have with mine.

I'm the same way, can't stand the smell of diesel fumes either, especially in cold weather which seems to really amplify it.

[Max_M]

Before I decided on my purchase of the X6 (F16) I have been test driving the following engines:
35i
35d
40d
50d (M)

If I had to choose between the 35i and the 35d my advice would be without any doubt the 35d. Its an SUV and you need torque....second is the gallon to the mile ratio. Not so much for the fuel cost but merely for the frequency of re-fuelling.

The 40d gives considerable more power, which makes the car really to drive and the M50D has so much power that you are never short.

Finally I have decided for the 40d as I loved the engine and was EUR 7,000 more over the 30d, whereas the M50d was EUR 25,000 over the 30d.

The Diesel engine has a nice sound, deep and in the background.

[Chadmatic]

I think it is great that everybody on this forum is super passionate about their X5 or X6, whether it is a 25d, 35d, 35i, 40d, 40e, 50d, 50i, or M. Generally speaking they all have that great X5 or X6 look and feel which is what attracted us all to these models to begin with, from there it is just a matter of which engine and options best suit your personal style and needs. We are all coming from the same place when we speak passionately about what makes our unique decisions so special. We are more or less all driving the same car, so we all must have pretty damn good taste.

[midlifecrisis]

The whole emissions scandal thing is a shame. Diesels would be a lot more popular if that hadn't happened. BMW diesels are unfairly stigmatized because of those SOBs in Wolfsburg.

[deutsch100]

100% It is disgusting that VW has tarnished the gains that Audi Clean Diesel, BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar-Land Rover has done for diesel.

The 1980's Mercedes-Benz and Oldsmobile diesel cars in the USA were noisy, smoky, dirty and sooty! This is the image and idea most Americans have of diesel cars.

Beginning in the late 90's, Mercedes and VW began to offer clean(er) diesel in the USA..and they were good. Americans saw there was no smoke, incredible mpg and high reliability and awesome resale value.

Fast forward to Dieselgate....VW undid almost all gains of USA diesel popularity!

Naturally on a much smaller scale...but VW and Diesel is akin to Nazis and Germany. I am German, and even though I was born over 30 years after the end of WWII...barely a day goes by where someone does not associate being German with a being Nazi. 12 awful years of German History and forever tarnished 500+ years of amazing German worldwide accomplishments (music, medicine, technology, manufacturing, architecture...). Barely a day goes by, where my diesel BMW is not associated with VW dieselgate. Shame!

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

The whole emissions scandal thing is a shame. Diesels would be a lot more popular if that hadn't happened. BMW diesels are unfairly stigmatized because of those SOBs in Wolfsburg.

[Sedoy]

I do agree with you guys, diesel is awesome especially for heavy SUV like X5 and towing. Also, the presence of a dipstick is a huge benefit for F15 diesel, since N55 doesn't have it. But I'm planing to keep my X5 well over 100k, so after researching I went with gasoline. The quality of the diesel in the US and lack of good independent mechanics familiar with modern BMW diesels turn me away from getting a diesel.

[Chadmatic]

Originally Posted by deutsch100

The 1980's Mercedes-Benz and Oldsmobile diesel cars in the USA were noisy, smoky, dirty and sooty! This is the image and idea most Americans have of diesel cars.

Exactly, and the “coal rollers” put the nail in the coffin.

[deutsch100]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

I do agree with you guys, diesel is awesome especially for heavy SUV like X5 and towing. Also, the presence of a dipstick is a huge benefit for F15 diesel, since N55 doesn't have it. But I'm planing to keep my X5 well over 100k, so after researching I went with gasoline. The quality of the diesel in the US and lack of good independent mechanics familiar with modern BMW diesels turn me away from getting a diesel.

F15 35d has a dipstick? 2017 model? I must be blind...I cannot see one anywhere!

[Sedoy]

Yep, it's located close to firewall, see the picture.

Originally Posted by deutsch100

F15 35d has a dipstick? 2017 model? I must be blind...I cannot see one anywhere!

[Marwan1]

I'm a bit confused by those reporting a "diesel smell"... Are you talking when inside the car or when you're outside close to the exhaust? I've owned 2 E70 diesels (2010 and 2012) and am on my second F15 (2015 and 2018) and have never, ever smelled diesel anywhere near the car, and certainly not inside of it!

[kj71109]

Originally Posted by Marwan1

I'm a bit confused by those reporting a "diesel smell"... Are you talking when inside the car or when you're outside close to the exhaust? I've owned 2 E70 diesels (2010 and 2012) and am on my second F15 (2015 and 2018) and have never, ever smelled diesel anywhere near the car, and certainly not inside of it!

It looks like you're in a warm climate, so you most likely will never smell it. It's only when the temps get close to below zero. The smell is around the back of the car and if the wind is blowing behind me, while sitting idle, I'll eventually smell it in the cabin. Also, when I get out of the car to put my kids in from school, it sometimes will get into the cabin as well. Again, this is only when the temps are very cold and there is a breeze blowing. (Which is most of the time in the winter where I live.)

[Marwan1]

Originally Posted by kj71109

It looks like you're in a warm climate, so you most likely will never smell it. It's only when the temps get close to below zero. The smell is around the back of the car and if the wind is blowing behind me, while sitting idle, I'll eventually smell it in the cabin. Also, when I get out of the car to put my kids in from school, it sometimes will get into the cabin as well. Again, this is only when the temps are very cold and there is a breeze blowing. (Which is most of the time in the winter where I live.)

Oh I see... I did live in Little Rock for 10 years (had the 2010 and 2012 E70s back then) and don't recall ever smelling diesel. That said, while it does get colder in Little Rock than in Houston, the temp never went below zero.

[drjoe66]

Originally Posted by Marwan1

I'm a bit confused by those reporting a "diesel smell"... Are you talking when inside the car or when you're outside close to the exhaust? I've owned 2 E70 diesels (2010 and 2012) and am on my second F15 (2015 and 2018) and have never, ever smelled diesel anywhere near the car, and certainly not inside of it!

I never smelled anything either. And after 6 years of two X5 35ds, I never had any issues with any valves or soot built-up or anything else. Bulletproof engine!

[RED_Y_]

I never smell any diesel inside the car,even in the low temps.

[deutsch100]

Granted, we only have a few days where it is below maybe 25-28F, but with my 2011 E70 35d and now my '17 35d....I have never, ever, never smelled diesel outside the X5, inside the X5 and I have never seen black smoke or soot, even during a full throttle, hard acceleration! I agree BMW diesels are bulletproof. I cannot love an engine more!!!

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by Marwan1

I'm a bit confused by those reporting a "diesel smell"...

any modern day non-commercial diesel vehicle with a dpf / urea additive is not going to smell like diesel exhaust fumes unless it is in very frigid temperatures and even in those scenarios it should go away once operating temperature is reached.

[1gkek]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

any modern day non-commercial diesel vehicle with a dpf / urea additive is not going to smell like diesel exhaust fumes unless it is in very frigid temperatures and even in those scenarios it should go away once operating temperature is reached.

This exactly. I've only ever noticed a diesel exhaust smell on either of our BMW's when it's cold like today - upper teens. I started the X5 last night and could smell the exhaust outside the car. Drove the car a few miles to get some ice cream and when we got home, no smell at all. I've only ever noticed it in temperatures around or below the mid 20's (F).

[1gkek]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

I ...The quality of the diesel in the US...

I've only been driving diesels in the US since 2005. But after hundreds of thousands of miles across the midwest and southeast, I've only had fuel problems once. Chevy dealer sold me a bottle of diesel fuel additive (what kind I don't recall) and the rest of the tank burned fine. I've not bought fuel at that station since (it was 12 years ago).

With the BMW I'm mindful of biodiesel and the propensity of some states (Indiana) to only offer biodiesel and in concentrations of "up to B20." With the long range available in the X5 and a little planning, I just don't fill up in Indiana. I also try to stick with the brand name stations in the hopeful assumption that they're getting their diesel from a reputable refinery. So far so good.

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

The whole emissions scandal thing is a shame. Diesels would be a lot more popular if that hadn't happened. BMW diesels are unfairly stigmatized because of those SOBs in Wolfsburg.

VAG and MB have already pulled diesel from the NAR and will not sell anymore and whichever models are currently offering this option it will be the last. I believe the next generation X5 will not be offered with diesel either since BMW will most likely follow their lead.

Originally Posted by 1gkek

This exactly. I've only ever noticed a diesel exhaust smell on either of our BMW's when it's cold like today - upper teens. I started the X5 last night and could smell the exhaust outside the car. Drove the car a few miles to get some ice cream and when we got home, no smell at all. I've only ever noticed it in temperatures around or below the mid 20's (F).

i had a V10 Touareg TDI and that SUV was a blast to drive but in the winter it really smelled of diesel until it warmed... the downside is a 10cyl diesel motor takes forever to warm up. i have multi-car garage which is temperature controlled so it wasn't an issue but it was when we would go to our other place in the mountains and the temperatures would be single digits or negative overnight. i would have to idle for a minimum of ten minutes or so and my wife would joke that the V10 badge stood for how long it took to idle before heat came on.

[deutsch100]

My 80's and 90's Mercedes diesel E classes....the heat would eventually come on, when you reached your destination, LOL.
Very surprised a "modern" VW diesel with a V10 would have been the same. With my 2011 E70 35d and now '17 35d...the heat is almost instant!! It is amazing. E70 and F15 for sure have some kind of aux./instant heaters!!! With my '17 40e X5, Omg...it was like being in a 1980's diesel Mercedes!! Sloooooooow to heat!

Originally Posted by iconoclast

VAG and MB have already pulled diesel from the NAR and will not sell anymore and whichever models are currently offering this option it will be the last. I believe the next generation X5 will not be offered with diesel either since BMW will most likely follow their lead.



i had a V10 Touareg TDI and that SUV was a blast to drive but in the winter it really smelled of diesel until it warmed... the downside is a 10cyl diesel motor takes forever to warm up. i have multi-car garage which is temperature controlled so it wasn't an issue but it was when we would go to our other place in the mountains and the temperatures would be single digits or negative overnight. i would have to idle for a minimum of ten minutes or so and my wife would joke that the V10 badge stood for how long it took to idle before heat came on.

[Thrumcap]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

VAG and MB have already pulled diesel from the NAR and will not sell anymore and whichever models are currently offering this option it will be the last. I believe the next generation X5 will not be offered with diesel either since BMW will most likely follow their lead.

I hope you are wrong about diesel availability in the 2019 X5. While VAG and MB are going away from diesel in the US, domestics like Chevy, Ford, Dodge/Jeep have diesels and/or are introducing new diesel options. Mazda is also rumored to be introducing diesel to the US market starting with the CX-5.