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      09-05-2015, 04:59 PM   #45
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I know this is a BMW forum but cmon people can have an opinion and not be wrong. Seriously the X5 is dime a dozen and rather plain in comparison to the RR Sport and the craftsmanship of the RR is head and shoulders above the X5. I also find the Volvo to be nicer and definitely going to be more reliable lol.
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I know this is a BMW forum but cmon people can have an opinion and not be wrong. Seriously the X5 is dime a dozen and rather plain in comparison to the RR Sport and the craftsmanship of the RR is head and shoulders above the X5. I also find the Volvo to be nicer and definitely going to be more reliable lol.

Craftsmanship is up to the bar, but anywhere ABOVE, but reliability.... Enough to look at the sales figures ( here in US). Numbers are inconvenient.
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Volvo finally puts out a nice looking car for the first time in 20 years and people are acting like they need to be dethroned.
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Volvo finally puts out a nice looking car for the first time in 20 years and people are acting like they need to be dethroned.
LOL, you are right. Let them be. I just got a bit ticked by the article which started all this. Like X5 is a little underdog here trying to be near big boys, like you know, volvo...
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Volvo finally puts out a nice looking car for the first time in 20 years and people are acting like they need to be dethroned.
LOL, you are right. Let them be. I just got a bit ticked by the article which started all this. Like X5 is a little underdog here trying to be near big boys, like you know, volvo...
That's exactly what I said in the first response to this post. Smh.
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That's exactly what I said in the first response to this post. Smh.
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The XC90 in R-design is friggin sweet. Not trying to be a homer but Volvo did an amazing job with the new XC90 and it's seats are really comfy (I assume it was the upgraded ones). If I were in the market for any SUV i think I would consider the Volvo but would probably go with the X5 instead since I like the look of it and tech-wise.

The Volvo's tech is better by a fair margin. And I like iDrive.
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Has anyone seen the rear? Now you know why they always show the attractive front.
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I played with the volvo "tech". I prefer idrive. To each their own. The volvo tech is very impressive show a friend. The big prob is the hvac controls because it is essentially all touch screen which takes longer than actual knobs and buttons plus it can be quite dangerous while in motion. BMW definitely should add touch screen functionality to make it easier to enter nav destinations, etc. This is where volvo shines.

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Has anyone seen the rear? Now you know why they always show the attractive front.
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      09-06-2015, 08:26 AM   #55
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I played with the volvo "tech". I prefer idrive. To each their own. The volvo tech is very impressive show a friend. The big prob is the hvac controls because it is essentially all touch screen which takes longer than actual knobs and buttons plus it can be quite dangerous while in motion. BMW definitely should add touch screen functionality to make it easier to enter nav destinations, etc. This is where volvo shines.
The G11 with idrive'5 brings touch screen.
Convinient in some areas, but having all touch like the new XC90 is Clumsy and time consuming, AND dagerous when driving imo.
It makes for a clean looking interiour though.
Volvo have a solid market in Scandinavia, the aging XC60 is actually selling very well (not sure why?).
The original XC90 have been on the market in 12 years, i guess Volvo fans are desperate after something new.
I was at an exclusive presentation before the official one, and people were very excited. Volvo have gone all in with this car, good the see it's doing well, allthough they stopped manufactoring the XC90 due do some issues.
It's huge and boxy, and will age fast, like all Volvo's imo.
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Volvo makes great family cars. The XC90 is no joke. My wife loves her volvo and it does its job well keeping the kids safe and hauling them around comfortably. Comments about lack of power, etc are silly. Who needs a sport tuned suspension and massive horsepower in a family hauler? That's what my M is for and to me that is the purpose of a BMW.
IF you're driving a huge SUV, wouldn't you want the best possible driving experience? I don't think anyone expects it to handle like a M4 but an adaptive suspension that lets you choose between a soft comfort mode and a stiffened sport mode will let you flip back and forth on demand.
I've driven other similar sized and weighted SUVs, and the x5 has handled the best so far. I'M not fortunate enough to have a fun car and a family hauler, so my family hauler needs to be as fun as it can.
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The XC90 in R-design is friggin sweet. Not trying to be a homer but Volvo did an amazing job with the new XC90 and it's seats are really comfy (I assume it was the upgraded ones). If I were in the market for any SUV i think I would consider the Volvo but would probably go with the X5 instead since I like the look of it and tech-wise.

To each his own but that looks like an aftermarket body kit and very plasticky.
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Terrible article, but thanks for posting.
I love how butthurt everyone gets when it's suggested that one car might be better than the X5.

You realize we all drive a mass-market SUV made by Americans in South Carolina, right? BMW's SUV lineup isn't some aspirational vehicle line for the jet set. It's a money machine for the boys in Munich, and one which grows softer and les classically BMW with every generation. The XC90 is an outstanding vehicle, and to poo-poo it simply because "it's a Volvo" is foolish as best.
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Craftsmanship is up to the bar, but anywhere ABOVE, but reliability.... Enough to look at the sales figures ( here in US). Numbers are inconvenient.
So, where are these numbers? RR Sport is a phenomenal vehicle.
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Terrible article, but thanks for posting.
I love how butthurt everyone gets when it's suggested that one car might be better than the X5.

You realize we all drive a mass-market SUV made by Americans in South Carolina, right? BMW's SUV lineup isn't some aspirational vehicle line for the jet set. It's a money machine for the boys in Munich, and one which grows softer and les classically BMW with every generation. The XC90 is an outstanding vehicle, and to poo-poo it simply because "it's a Volvo" is foolish as best.
No, it was poorly written. Don't care about the results. Still interesting to see more data, but the article itself is a literary pile of sh*t.
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So, where are these numbers?
Do you realize it is a dead argument? Literally 3 sec google search will reveal that BMW outsells volvo by a huge margin.
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Two Fords against a BMW? I knew who would win that one
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Do you realize it is a dead argument? Literally 3 sec google search will reveal that BMW outsells volvo by a huge margin.
Yes, let the butthurt flow through you.

Do you realize that U.S. Sales figures are absolutely meaningless in a discussion of whether the RR Sport or the Volvo XC90 is a better SUV? It's a dumb point to begin with. The Ford Explorer outsells the X5. Must be a better vehicle, right?

Secondly, if a poster is going to make a comment about "but the RELIABILITY" then he should have something to back that up. BMW is not known for reliability or the low cost of ownership that comes with it. Those are the numbers to which I refer. Yes, everyone knows the X5 outsells a first-year Volvo and much more expensive RR Sport (you can option a V6 into the 90s).
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Yes, let the butthurt flow through you.

Do you realize that U.S. Sales figures are absolutely meaningless in a discussion of whether the RR Sport or the Volvo XC90 is a better SUV? It's a dumb point to begin with. The Ford Explorer outsells the X5. Must be a better vehicle, right?

Secondly, if a poster is going to make a comment about "but the RELIABILITY" then he should have something to back that up. BMW is not known for reliability or the low cost of ownership that comes with it. Those are the numbers to which I refer. Yes, everyone knows the X5 outsells a first-year Volvo and much more expensive RR Sport (you can option a V6 into the 90s).
I came here to make friends, not to argue. Particularly about a brand which i likely will never get myself involved with. Let it be. volvo it is)))
PS. RR Sport is the top trim, right? ( it is not a loaded question, just want to be sure). Peace))
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Yes, let the butthurt flow through you.

Do you realize that U.S. Sales figures are absolutely meaningless in a discussion of whether the RR Sport or the Volvo XC90 is a better SUV? It's a dumb point to begin with. The Ford Explorer outsells the X5. Must be a better vehicle, right?

Secondly, if a poster is going to make a comment about "but the RELIABILITY" then he should have something to back that up. BMW is not known for reliability or the low cost of ownership that comes with it. Those are the numbers to which I refer. Yes, everyone knows the X5 outsells a first-year Volvo and much more expensive RR Sport (you can option a V6 into the 90s).
WTF? Ford Explorer isn't even in the same market. We are talking luxury SUV sales figures.. not ANY SUV... Majority of your posts here and on the Bimmerfest forums is nothing but trash talking with other members. Dude have a more positive attitude and lighten the hell up.. trust me you will enjoy life more this way.
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