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Hi Guys (and Gals), its been quite some time since I last posted on Bimmerpost. But I'm back now and glad to be here. The past few years I was busy setting up a new business, managing my career, moving to a new house, renovating it and with my kids getting older, I became involved in their weekend sports and activities. Lets just say life took over.

Up until recently I had an E70 X5M, it was a two owner vehicle (I was the second owner). I purchased it from a wealthy portfolio manager that I worked with. It with 65K miles on it. He only serviced the car at BMW and was a gearhead, he spared no expenses maintaining it. The car came with a binder of receipts and preventative labor work. Truth be told, I enjoyed driving it just as much as my 997TT. The fact that something so big, could be so agile and sporty was just amazingly satisfying every time I got behind the wheel. After 3 years, it decided to grenade on me overnight (little did I know). I had it worked on for about 2 months and after about $8000 between an indy and BMW of Mamaroneck (those scum bags - thats a story for another day), I decided to throw in the towel.

Well its been about 8 months without my X5M and I miss her dearly. I want to get another but the E70 X5M platform is too old and the F85 X5M platform is a bit out of budget. So that leads me to my dilemma. I really want another V8 X5, preferably an xDrive50i 2016+ model but my budget cap is $25,000. I know that's doable but I hear all kinds of horror stories about the N63tu motor. I thought it was supposed to be better than the 2011-2013 N63 but apparently its almost as faulty.

I'd be ok with purchasing an extended warranty to give me peace of mind. There's just something thats captivating about the burliness and character of the twin turbo V8 motor. I've driven practically every sport SUV (GLE63, Cayenne Turbo, Jeep GC SRT8) but none of them are packaged as well or perform or have the steering feel of the X5.

The opinions and replies on this thread will weigh heavily on my decision as it will come with credibility of owners in the community with real world experience.

Should I go for the xDrive50i or am I making a huge mistake? Would it be wiser to go for an xDrive35i instead and do a bolt on tune since the N55 is a simpler and more reliable motor to work on? I'll miss the V8 sound, but I also need the vehicle to be reliable as it'll be used primarily when I'm with my family. My philosophy with my E70 X5M was to be prepared to spend about $5000 on maintenance and upkeep annually. I'd be following that same thing thing time around. Key features I'm looking for will be M-Sport package, multiway comfort seats (BMW is the best in the business at this IMO), full pano roof, HUD, HK sound system, full leather, 20" wheels and good history.

Thanks a million in advance, I truly mean that. I look forward to joining this rewarding community and being a part of the X5 gang again.
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Have you driving an F15 with and without air suspension option?

The E70 X5M vs F85( by proxy F15s) drive completely differently and I personally prefer the feel of the E70. I personally find that the E70 feels like your not so much diving on wheels but the thing has claws, you want to change direction, it digs in, tears up the asphalt and forces you into said direction.

The electric F15 are much more vague.


Onto your question, from maintenance and reliably. Go 35i. There are a number of threads here of guys pushing some nice numbers. Making the F85 look slow.

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What did you end up doing with your old X5M after you "threw in the towel"? Did you sell it as it was with the grenaded engine?
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I think that’s what I loved about it so much. The driving feel was so rock solid. It felt exactly like you describe, like it was clawing. It had the BMW “magic feel” of yesteryear that I appreciated. I’ve been driving BMWs since I was 16 back in 1998. I have driven a few F15’s and you’re right. The electric steering takes all the fun out of it, sadly.

I sold it to a friend of mine who has a mechanic/body shop for $8K. He told me he’d do whatever was necessary even if it meant swapping the motor out. She was very very clean. Body was spotless, brakes/tires were new and interior was perfect.
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I know its prob too late now. But did you consider keeping it and doing a rebuild and strengthening the 6HP?

That was my preferred route before I landed in the F85. I spent about 6-12mth looking for a clean E70 but could not find one.
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I know its prob too late now. But did you consider keeping it and doing a rebuild and strengthening the 6HP?

That was my preferred route before I landed in the F85. I spent about 6-12mth looking for a clean E70 but could not find one.
I was about $8000 into repairs that “could’ve” fixed it but didn’t. After that much money it felt like an uphill battle that I couldn’t win. So I decided to walk. I miss it a lot.
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Test drive a 35i and 50i... go from there.

There are more DIYer links/YTs for the 35i. FCPeuro has a dozen or more vids on maintenance for them.

I wouldn't say the 50i is unreliable, but it does feel like maintenance and costs are a bit higher on them due to the similarities to the f85 engine.

I went with a 50i. I test drove both and while the abundance of info on the 35i had me confident i could do my own maintenance, the car just lacked the power.
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but I hear all kinds of horror stories about the N63tu motor. I thought it was supposed to be better than the 2011-2013 N63 but apparently its almost as faulty.
It's not. I've had both, the original N63 was exponentially more problematic than the updated N63TU, mine was always at the dealer for work. You may recall Bang vs. BMW, the class action lawsuit brought against BMW regarding the original N63. That motor was a nightmare - BMW did my valve guide seals (required dropping the motor.. I had a service loaner for a week) and it still didn't fix the oil consumption issues, so they offered to pay 80% toward a new motor under the settlement. The N63TU has no such backstory like that.

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Should I go for the xDrive50i or am I making a huge mistake? Would it be wiser to go for an xDrive35i instead and do a bolt on tune since the N55 is a simpler and more reliable motor to work on? I'll miss the V8 sound, but I also need the vehicle to be reliable as it'll be used primarily when I'm with my family. My philosophy with my E70 X5M was to be prepared to spend about $5000 on maintenance and upkeep annually. I'd be following that same thing thing time around. Key features I'm looking for will be M-Sport package, multiway comfort seats (BMW is the best in the business at this IMO), full pano roof, HUD, HK sound system, full leather, 20" wheels and good history.
If you have your heart set on a V8, I don't think you'll be happy with the inline 6. At least I know I wouldn't have been - despite the issues with my E70 50i, I still bought another 50i.

I still think the E70 felt/drives better, more planted, had heavier/more analog steering, certainly sounded better too. With that said, I'd still take an F15 over an E70 any day. Much more modern, more powerful, just a better overall package IMO.

Worth noting, the 50i comes standard with comfort seats and H/K - those are optional on the 35i and not super common finding them together.

In reading your words posted above, I can sense the attachment you had to your X5M and how much you enjoyed driving it. For this reason, I don't think you'd be happy going from an X5M to a 35i. And maybe not a 50i either, but budget maybe dictate otherwise.

Good luck - let us know what you find/what you decide.
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Curious to know which horror stories of the N63TU you heard of? I agree with shimmy23. Test drive both.
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Unfortunately, the F15 will never feel the same as E70. Steering feel is completely different. I love the driving characteristics of E70 more than the F15 but that's not enough to convince me to get one instead of F15. I also drove other newer sporty SUVs (used to own Cayenne, Audi, ML350 with AMG package) and nothing is close to the F15.
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Curious to know which horror stories of the N63TU you heard of? I agree with shimmy23. Test drive both.
Injectors failing and rubber coupling hoses cracking/breaking. The injector job can be a very pricey one. Part of the $8000 spent on my X5M trying to remediate the issues involved replacing the injectors. That was almost $3000 alone. I understand the TU motor is better than its original N63 predecessor but I really don't want to go down that road again.

Also, I'm not looking for something to scorch the asphalt, but I would like to tune it. Nothing too crazy. Are people using JB4's still or are there better solutions like Racechip/BM3/DME tuning? I think if I had a nice tune and downpipes, I'd be more than satisfied.
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I think if I had a nice tune and downpipes, I'd be more than satisfied.
Isn't this what we ALL say? Never turns out this way. The more you add to any car, in theory, the less reliable you are making it.
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Isn't this what we ALL say? Never turns out this way. The more you add to any car, in theory, the less reliable you are making it.
Stock is always going to be best. My X5M was stock, I never felt like it needed anything more. But there are cases of tuned cars that last a very long time. It all depends on how conservative the setup is.
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Hi Guys (and Gals), its been quite some time since I last posted on Bimmerpost. But I'm back now and glad to be here. The past few years I was busy setting up a new business, managing my career, moving to a new house, renovating it and with my kids getting older, I became involved in their weekend sports and activities. Lets just say life took over.

Up until recently I had an E70 X5M, it was a two owner vehicle (I was the second owner). I purchased it from a wealthy portfolio manager that I worked with. It with 65K miles on it. He only serviced the car at BMW and was a gearhead, he spared no expenses maintaining it. The car came with a binder of receipts and preventative labor work. Truth be told, I enjoyed driving it just as much as my 997TT. The fact that something so big, could be so agile and sporty was just amazingly satisfying every time I got behind the wheel. After 3 years, it decided to grenade on me overnight (little did I know). I had it worked on for about 2 months and after about $8000 between an indy and BMW of Mamaroneck (those scum bags - thats a story for another day), I decided to throw in the towel.

Well its been about 8 months without my X5M and I miss her dearly. I want to get another but the E70 X5M platform is too old and the F85 X5M platform is a bit out of budget. So that leads me to my dilemma. I really want another V8 X5, preferably an xDrive50i 2016+ model but my budget cap is $25,000. I know that's doable but I hear all kinds of horror stories about the N63tu motor. I thought it was supposed to be better than the [...]
I have been driving my 2018 X5 50i for over 3 years now. I bought mine CPO when it was 2 years old as an early lease return with less than 20K miles. It was in excellent shape and I got the CPO wrap that extended the warranty for 7 years and unlimited miles, so under warranty till mid 2025. So far, it has worked flawlessly for me. It is definitely not an M, and I like it mainly because it is a very sporty SUV (and I mean use it as an SUV). I had a Cayenne S and RRS before the X5 and I would say the 50i splits the difference in terms of driving dynamics and comfort…the F15 is one of my favorite platforms ever. It’s a very nice combination of fun driving, utility and comfort. I am not someone who likes ultra luxury SUVs. I want to be able to take it to the beach, skiing and dirt roads….but also DD.
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I had a 2016 x5 50i, had it for 7 years, it did about 55k miles, had air suspension fixed under warranty, year 7, was when all the issues started happening, injector issues causing misfires, and one strut issue, the back trunk gate thing that goes down broke. Ended up spending 5k+ the last 2 years so I got rid of it.. still have my m2 competition but went to a 23 model x for our family suv.
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I had a 2016 x5 50i, had it for 7 years, it did about 55k miles, had air suspension fixed under warranty, year 7, was when all the issues started happening, injector issues causing misfires, and one strut issue, the back trunk gate thing that goes down broke. Ended up spending 5k+ the last 2 years so I got rid of it.. still have my m2 competition but went to a 23 model x for our family suv.
Moral of the story .... stay away from the V8
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Have a 2016 50i. Bought it in April 2023 with 93k miles on it. Now have 125k. Replaced the plugs and coils at 94k, fr/rr diff fluids, trans pan/filter and fluid, and transfer case fluid. About to do the injectors. If you can do the injectors yourself it’s around $850 for the injectors and $100 for injector removal tool. Plus your time.

Anyway, something I also did was replace the springs with the Eibach kit and the shocks with Bilstein B6’s. Totally transformed the handling. Still lacks steering feel, but man does it handle.

Change the oil/filter religiously at least every 5k miles. Once you drive the 50i there’s no going back to the 35i. At least there wasn’t for me.
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Have a 2016 50i. Bought it in April 2023 with 93k miles on it. Now have 125k. Replaced the plugs and coils at 94k, fr/rr diff fluids, trans pan/filter and fluid, and transfer case fluid. About to do the injectors. If you can do the injectors yourself it’s around $850 for the injectors and $100 for injector removal tool. Plus your time.

Anyway, something I also did was replace the springs with the Eibach kit and the shocks with Bilstein B6’s. Totally transformed the handling. Still lacks steering feel, but man does it handle.

Change the oil/filter religiously at least every 5k miles. Once you drive the 50i there’s no going back to the 35i. At least there wasn’t for me.
Thank you for that amazing insight. Is this the first time the injectors are being changed? I’m a big DIY’er.
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I have been driving my 2018 X5 50i for over 3 years now. I bought mine CPO when it was 2 years old as an early lease return with less than 20K miles. It was in excellent shape and I got the CPO wrap that extended the warranty for 7 years and unlimited miles, so under warranty till mid 2025. So far, it has worked flawlessly for me. It is definitely not an M, and I like it mainly because it is a very sporty SUV (and I mean use it as an SUV). I had a Cayenne S and RRS before the X5 and I would say the 50i splits the difference in terms of driving dynamics and comfort…the F15 is one of my favorite platforms ever. It’s a very nice combination of fun driving, utility and comfort. I am not someone who likes ultra luxury SUVs. I want to be able to take it to the beach, skiing and dirt roads….but also DD.
Moral of the story, try and have warranty also. 🙂
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Moral of the story, try and have warranty also. 🙂


After reading these insights... what are you leaning towards now?
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After reading these insights... what are you leaning towards now?
I’m really a stubborn PoS. It’s almost as if I like pain. I’m leaning towards the xdrive50i 😫😫😫
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Thank you for that amazing insight. Is this the first time the injectors are being changed? I’m a big DIY’er.
Yep, injectors are original. Replacing them due to occasional “bank 2 lean” code…and because they have 125k miles lol
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