12-25-2019, 05:04 PM | #23 |
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12-25-2019, 05:09 PM | #24 | |
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That is the crux of the problem, false advertisement directly against the manufactures wishes creating a very dangerous situation. You have ZERO footing, there is no defending BMW here. They are literally making this lie up, ZF calls them out directly on it. They are creating a very dangerous situation just to win some marketing points and then you come along and say "Bah, who cares, your going to have a blown alternator and coils before then so what!" Bloody brilliant logic Last edited by Sophisticated Redneck; 12-25-2019 at 05:26 PM.. |
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12-25-2019, 05:41 PM | #26 | |
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Yes it is, produced and made by ZF. Watch it completely genius. Hey but whatever feeds your dissolution. Admitting your wrong is hard, I get it. Listen, my intentions of creating this thread were to make fellow BMW owners aware of this situation so that they can hopefully service their transmission and save them thousands of dollars in repairs not to mention potential dangerous situations, not to get into pissing matches, but if you want to keep coming at me, I will meet you every step of the way. And for those out there that dont drive BMW's past their Lease and could care less, thats fine. The BMW on the road next to you might be however.... Last edited by Sophisticated Redneck; 12-25-2019 at 06:03 PM.. |
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12-25-2019, 05:58 PM | #27 | |
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I would recommend that if you're going down the path of doubting "lifetime", you also don't fall for lifetime of power steering components, brake boosters, brake lines and replace them according to what's lifetime for you. BMW doesn't specify lifetime for these either. Maybe check with their manufacturers. Do the same for a shit ton of very critical parts (way more safety critical components with no defined lifetime like airbags and seatbelts), who knows what's going to fail and when and why risk it. The point here is that you can take a systems approach of a lifetime of the car or a component approach of lifetime of individual parts that makes you feel better. If price is not an indicator of life and safety be proactive and change whatever you want for whatever reason. |
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12-25-2019, 06:35 PM | #29 |
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Hey I'm a believer my x5 before it was taken from me had 100k on the clock and it didn't shift the best their was a slight lurch while accelerating and you could tell it was not acting like it should.
Had a trans flush, even had to argue with bmw to even do it as they kept saying you don't have to, well they finally did it and what a difference, The lurching was gone and the shifts where crisp and tight. Made a believer out of me let me tell you. Life time oil is just a gimmick for the maintenance free lifestyle they want to sell you. |
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The whole problem is that the word "lifetime" is never clarifed.If you look at the used car pricing data and the web resources I posted earlier you'll realize that BMWs are at the end of their life at 10 years or 175k miles. Your ZF transmission is extremely well built and will easily survive till that point without fluid changes. |
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12-25-2019, 07:50 PM | #32 |
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It's not clear what you mean by 'flush', but two most likely scenarios is either your tranny was low on fluid due to a leak which dealer remedied during the service, or yhe adaptations reset restored the 'smoothness' by resetting the pressure/timing values. The latter, btw, is a temporary fix and i wonder how much longer you had the car after it.
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12-25-2019, 08:10 PM | #33 | |
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You seem to fail to grasp the very basic concept of the 75k or no more the 8 years at the very LATEST. Anyone who considers this "Lifetime" is a fool at best or BMW marketing shill at worst. The facts just are not on your side my friend when the actual manufacturer tells you this. I'm going to save you some time with replies, what you have to say just does not matter when the manufacturer itself is telling us to change our fluid or it will cause premature failure. Dude on forum <ZF. Last edited by Sophisticated Redneck; 12-25-2019 at 08:16 PM.. |
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Not a leak to be found. The flush was they hook the trans up to a machine and the fluid is completely flushed and sediments are removed. Over 10 quarts are used in the flush. I drove it for 50k miles afterward. Also considering all of my bmw's last well over 200k miles and are sold off to a new owner and their still driving strong on all on original equipment with just routine fluid changes (lots of highway) where as my sisters cars all have shifting issues after 100k as she never does maintenance speaks volumes in my book. Even though the service advisors say you don't need it the shop formans swear by it and also think bmws lifetime claims are not understood 100k is considered lifetime of vehicle and not lifetime of a human being. Lifetime of vehicle is usually 100k miles. I'll trust the mechanics that work on them everyday vs a guy at the front desk who just check in my car from time to time. A flush is far better than a simple change as it replaces all the fluid in the trans vs a portion. At the end of the day if you lease a new bmw every 3 years you will never change the fluid and it's of no concern. Their will always be a few cars that will show a symptom of not changing the oil and some can probably drive 150k miles on the original fluid without a problem as well but if your planing to keep the car well over 200k miles then it's best practice and cheap insurance to do the change. It's a cheap insurance your helping to avoid a costlier issue down the road. Don't forget bmw doesn't always make the best calls, remember it wasn't long ago where they raised the oil change intervals then reverted it back to 10k miles when they themselves started having way to many warranty issues. They want to make money and if they can get out of swapping fluid from your trans from an extended service contract they will. Hell they even got rid of the 4 year 50k miles warranty and the changing of your wipers so whatever, Just like buying insurance, sometimes shit happens sometimes nothing. So instead of arguing guys over something silly like over fluid changes, let people present information to others and if it makes sense for people let them change the fluid. |
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12-26-2019, 08:39 AM | #38 |
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So, to recap your experience, the fluid level was never checked, and the fluid quality was assessed just visually? Have they read adaptation values? What were they? Did they reset them afterwards? What were the readings after few hundred miles?
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12-26-2019, 09:48 AM | #39 |
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Another option instead of the flush is simply change the fluid and filter a year later. By that time you have diluted the old fluid enough to be considered flushed.
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12-26-2019, 10:41 AM | #40 | |
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You drop a frog in boiling water it will jump out you gradually turn up the heat and it boils to death. For the most part you don't feel a change as it's gradual but after a full flush it was like a new trans and it never wavered after the change. You can believe what you want to believe just like me, that's your right. I'm not here to tell you otherwise. Nor am I here to prove anything other than I agree with the op it's not bad to change your fluid. So if people want to do it then why try and fight. Your not making any friends in this manner nor adding anything to the argument other than just believe what we tell you.. If it gives people a piece of mind to change the fluid let them if they choose to believe it's lifetime then let them and they can live with their decisions. I have a family and with my kids I'm choosing not to put their safety in any kind of dice rolling, I've had issues with transmissions so I'm on the side of the fence to be better safe than sorry and luckily have the funds to pay for maintenance like this without issue. Plus it's a great vehicle and I like the idea of fresh fluid. It deserves that at the very least. Anyway your not changing my mind on the subject just like it's a wast of time to try and change yours so let's agree to disagree. Ok let's all get back to having a good rest of the holidays! . |
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12-26-2019, 10:44 AM | #41 |
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So my car has a slight vibration when its cold but smooths out after its warm. Would this be transmission fluid-related? It does it at the "higher" RPM, right when it is about to shift.
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That's all. The price was not all that much more and to have it all bottled up again for another 5 years or so made sense to me. Either way is fine though. |
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