You like the F'15 better than your E70? (poll)

midwest 340xi 6sp · 01-17-2014, 09:41 PM

I'm going to be in the market again in the next 12 mos and the Macan and F'15 are on the radar with some other considerations too.

I've owned 2 x6's an x5 35d and my wife now drives a 2013 E70 35i (a nice capable vehicle to be sure)

We love the SAV's living in the Midwest US, the Xdrive and utility of them as well as luxury.

My poll question is for you ex E70 owners who now own the F'15. Which do you like better (if either) Why?

chrisny · 01-17-2014, 09:49 PM

I like our F15 better than the E70 we had simply because it's more advanced - tech, engine, transmission, styling, interior, etc. We had an E70 in '07 and I was every bit as happy with that, at that time, as we are now with the F15. But, done right, newer is always better to me. And this vehicle was done right. It's an evolution of the X5 (not nearly as different than the E70 as some will have you believe, it's still an X5, just as the E70 was still an X5 compared to the original…). So, I am happier now with the current model, until the next one comes out

rganguly · 01-18-2014, 11:52 AM

F15 all the way, I had the E70 as well which I traded, the few reasons being technology, looks. But whatever you buy you will be happy and enjoy it.

ADGrant · 01-18-2014, 07:52 PM

Didn't vote because I still own my E70. I think that the F15 is superior in many respects. The major drawback is the steering. It's enough of a problem for me that I have been looking at other brands.

midwest 340xi 6sp · 01-18-2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ADGrant

Didn't vote because I still own my E70. I think that the F15 is superior in many respects. The major drawback is the steering. It's enough of a problem for me that I have been looking at other brands.

Well, I haven't had seat time in an F'15 yet - but imo the steering on the E70 is atrocious

Galion · 01-19-2014, 03:14 PM

Agree, steering in my e70 was way too heavy, F15 is much lighter, not a good thing though, something in between would have been perfect, steering feel lacks on both... The X5 is a big, heavy and practical SUV, so I wouldnt call it a drawback, this is no sports car.

chrisny · 01-19-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Galion

Agree, steering in my e70 was way too heavy, F15 is much lighter, not a good thing though, something in between would have been perfect, steering feel lacks on both... The X5 is a big, heavy and practical SUV, so I wouldnt call it a drawback, this is no sports car.

That's the thing.. as SUV's go, the X5, Cayenne, etc.. are intended to give sports sedan like handling and driving experience. But a 4700+ lb SUV is never going to be as tight and nimble as an actual sport sedan, let alone a sports car. People get a little carried away IMO and judge these "trucks" a bit too harsh on body roll and steering. It by no means should feel like a Toyota Forerunner, and it doesn't. Steering, handling, body roll, etc are all miles better than a typical SUV. But it also won't, and never was supposed to, give you an M3 driving experience either.. That and it seems to me a lot of people expect too much without even getting the suspension upgrades, or upgrading to an actual X5M or X6M.

AEC · 01-20-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisny

That's the thing.. as SUV's go, the X5, Cayenne, etc.. are intended to give sports sedan like handling and driving experience. But a 6600 lb SUV is never going to be as tight and nimble as an actual sport sedan, let alone a sports car. People get a little carried away IMO and judge these "trucks" a bit too harsh on body roll and steering. It by no means should feel like a Toyota Forerunner, and it doesn't. Steering, handling, body roll, etc are all miles better than a typical SUV. But it also won't, and never was supposed to, give you an M3 driving experience either.. That and it seems to me a lot of people expect too much without even getting the suspension upgrades, or upgrading to an actual X5M or X6M.

Well said. Agree completely.

BMWMN1971 · 01-20-2014, 10:11 AM

Loved my E70 but love my F15 much more

The E70 was getting tired and outdated. The F15 brought all the technology that was missing in the E70 and much more.

chrisny · 01-20-2014, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWMN1971

Loved my E70 but love my F15 much more

The E70 was getting tired and outdated. The F15 brought all the technology that was missing in the E70 and much more.

Exactly. Perfect evolution. Newer, fresher, but still an X5 physically and aesthetically.

hyde · 09-13-2014, 12:41 AM

I was curious about this too, I wanted to start a new thread, lucky I search first.
I hope nobody minds me bumping this.
22 votes but only 8 replies..

Carmo99 · 09-13-2014, 02:30 AM

I upgraded 4 months ago E70 30d to F15 M50d. I also looked at the Macan but it was too small and with the same toys was more expensive. The Cayenne is way too much and in my mind too flashy also.

The F15 is a big step forwards, quieter, smoother, more economical, nicer interior and latest tech. I am wondering why I waited to change!

HMN · 09-13-2014, 04:47 AM

Technically I won't be eligable to vote since I used to have an E71, but since the E70 and E71 are practically the same car I'd say I definitely like the F15 better. The increased power is one of the main reasons actually.
In the previous models you won't notice the change from normal mode to sport mode, but in the new models you definitely do and that is probably the best change for me. I did like the E71's handling better though but once again the X6 is a better handler.

1230vani · 09-13-2014, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hamad Nasser

Technically I won't be eligable to vote since I used to have an E71, but since the E70 and E71 are practically the same car I'd say I definitely like the F15 better. The increased power is one of the main reasons actually.
In the previous models you won't notice the change from normal mode to sport mode, but in the new models you definitely do and that is probably the best change for me. I did like the E71's handling better though but once again the X6 is a better handler.

+1

aussiem3 · 09-13-2014, 06:32 AM

To be honest, I skipped the E70 because of the issues that car had. In fact I went in the direction of F25 X3 for three years and bought the F15. The refinement of the F15 is mindboggling and BMW have really upped their game with this model.

aussiem3 · 09-13-2014, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisny

That's the thing.. as SUV's go, the X5, Cayenne, etc.. are intended to give sports sedan like handling and driving experience. But a 6600 lb SUV is never going to be as tight and nimble as an actual sport sedan, let alone a sports car. People get a little carried away IMO and judge these "trucks" a bit too harsh on body roll and steering. It by no means should feel like a Toyota Forerunner, and it doesn't. Steering, handling, body roll, etc are all miles better than a typical SUV. But it also won't, and never was supposed to, give you an M3 driving experience either.. That and it seems to me a lot of people expect too much without even getting the suspension upgrades, or upgrading to an actual X5M or X6M.

+1. I couldn't have said it any better

Propofoln · 09-13-2014, 10:13 AM

Had 3 E70s. (2007 X5 35i, 2007 X5 4.8, 2012 X5D). We built and got a 2015 X5D about a month ago. The F15 blows the E70 out of the water in every respect except for steering, only if you like the heavy hydraulic steering
Pluses

1.looks
2. Ride- so much smoother without taking away sporty characteristics
3. Quieter- amazingly more so
4. Better tech- updated HUD, led headlamps, Idrive etc
5. More luxiourious interior- huge upgrade here
6. Better gas mileage- drive 600 miles before even looking for a gas station
7. Diesel engine is so much quieter
8. Availability of the Bang and Olufsen- am an audiophile, so waited for this option. It's awesome

As you can see, we love it. Much bigger than a Macan and looks more masculine

Baunton · 09-13-2014, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisny

I like our F15 better than the E70 we had simply because it's more advanced - tech, engine, transmission, styling, interior, etc. We had an E70 in '07 and I was every bit as happy with that, at that time, as we are now with the F15. But, done right, newer is always better to me. And this vehicle was done right. It's an evolution of the X5 (not nearly as different than the E70 as some will have you believe, it's still an X5, just as the E70 was still an X5 compared to the original…). So, I am happier now with the current model, until the next one comes out

Seconded

DavidTSG · 09-13-2014, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisny

That's the thing.. as SUV's go, the X5, Cayenne, etc.. are intended to give sports sedan like handling and driving experience. But a 6600 lb SUV is never going to be as tight and nimble as an actual sport sedan, let alone a sports car. People get a little carried away IMO and judge these "trucks" a bit too harsh on body roll and steering. It by no means should feel like a Toyota Forerunner, and it doesn't. Steering, handling, body roll, etc are all miles better than a typical SUV. But it also won't, and never was supposed to, give you an M3 driving experience either.. That and it seems to me a lot of people expect too much without even getting the suspension upgrades, or upgrading to an actual X5M or X6M.

It's kind of funny that you say this, because I often find myself mentally describing the F15 as "nimble" when I'm driving. The power in the engine (35d here), smooth shifts, barely breaking a sweat to get to 60, 70, more mph, everything makes me feel like I'm NOT driving a 6600lb SUV. I've considered starting a thread just to find out if I'm the only one that feels this way

Anyway, my vote coming off of my E70 is F15 is better. As many have noted, it's a great evolution of the platform. More luxury materials, better engines, better technology, etc. I loved my E70, and I had a hard time not buying it outright after my lease ended. But after a test drive with the F15, I was hooked.

The one area where I miss my E70 is steering. I am one that liked the heavier steering in the E70. I'm also a 6'4" man who weighs in accordingly, so grain of salt there. I can see why others might prefer the easier steering on the F15. My one recommendation to BMW is to do something to find a middle ground. The pendulum has swung too far. Need to get to the middle between the over-heavy E70 and the over-light F15.

Otherwise, vastly prefer the looks, comfort, performance, and tech on my F15.

xDrive35i · 09-13-2014, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidTSG

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisny

That's the thing.. as SUV's go, the X5, Cayenne, etc.. are intended to give sports sedan like handling and driving experience. But a 6600 lb SUV is never going to be as tight and nimble as an actual sport sedan, let alone a sports car. People get a little carried away IMO and judge these "trucks" a bit too harsh on body roll and steering. It by no means should feel like a Toyota Forerunner, and it doesn't. Steering, handling, body roll, etc are all miles better than a typical SUV. But it also won't, and never was supposed to, give you an M3 driving experience either.. That and it seems to me a lot of people expect too much without even getting the suspension upgrades, or upgrading to an actual X5M or X6M.

It's kind of funny that you say this, because I often find myself mentally describing the F15 as "nimble" when I'm driving. The power in the engine (35d here), smooth shifts, barely breaking a sweat to get to 60, 70, more mph, everything makes me feel like I'm NOT driving a 6600lb SUV. I've considered starting a thread just to find out if I'm the only one that feels this way

Anyway, my vote coming off of my E70 is F15 is better. As many have noted, it's a great evolution of the platform. More luxury materials, better engines, better technology, etc. I loved my E70, and I had a hard time not buying it outright after my lease ended. But after a test drive with the F15, I was hooked.

The one area where I miss my E70 is steering. I am one that liked the heavier steering in the E70. I'm also a 6'4" man who weighs in accordingly, so grain of salt there. I can see why others might prefer the easier steering on the F15. My one recommendation to BMW is to do something to find a middle ground. The pendulum has swung too far. Need to get to the middle between the over-heavy E70 and the over-light F15.

Otherwise, vastly prefer the looks, comfort, performance, and tech on my F15.

That's because you're not driving a 6600 lb. SUV. You're driving a 5000-5300 lb. SUV.

aussiem3 · 09-13-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidTSG

The one area where I miss my E70 is steering. I am one that liked the heavier steering in the E70. I'm also a 6'4" man who weighs in accordingly, so grain of salt there. I can see why others might prefer the easier steering on the F15. My one recommendation to BMW is to do something to find a middle ground. The pendulum has swung too far. Need to get to the middle between the over-heavy E70 and the over-light F15.

Otherwise, vastly prefer the looks, comfort, performance, and tech on my F15.

My DD is an E92 M3 with a steering to die for. The F15 30d is my wife's car and I drive it on the weekends. I enjoy what I call a refined steering feel and a very plush driving experience. I was blown away when I test drove one especially coming from a new F25 X3 30d. BMW have done a lot of work on the F15.

hyde · 09-13-2014, 07:10 PM

Steering seems to be the main complaint and this is totally valid since this is a thread for "E70 to F15" or "E70 vs F15", and I love the feedback so far. Having test-driven both F15 Luxury and M-Sport packages, I can totally see while everything in driving characteristics of E70 remain, steering is missing. Owners of last gen X5 either hated the steering or loved it. There wasn't anything in between like "I don't mind it" or "meh, it's OK"..

One thing I was hoping to hear from you guys is the suspension. If you came from Stock E70 (non-M) to a stock F15 (lux or xline) how did you find the suspension & ride quality? Not just the comfort, but did you find it to have more body roll, or were the tires as good as they were in E70? I know some break-in period required, about 1500miles in general for run flats, but how did overall package fair in your experience coming from E70? My '12 E70 tires are extremely grippy, in comparison I found F15 tires (stock 19" Lux rims) to be a bit jumpy, maybe they were over inflated, but it felt like when I rolled over a small pebble, the whole tire lifted off pavement instead of hugging the pebble. Maybe it was had too much air.

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01-17-2014, 09:41 PM	#1
midwest 340xi 6sp Lieutenant Colonel 359 Rep 1,797 Posts Drives: 2018 340xi Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Great Midwest iTrader: (6)	You like the F'15 better than your E70? (poll) I'm going to be in the market again in the next 12 mos and the Macan and F'15 are on the radar with some other considerations too. I've owned 2 x6's an x5 35d and my wife now drives a 2013 E70 35i (a nice capable vehicle to be sure) We love the SAV's living in the Midwest US, the Xdrive and utility of them as well as luxury. My poll question is for you ex E70 owners who now own the F'15. Which do you like better (if either) Why? __________________ Previous Rides: 535xi, M235xi, X3, E92 M3, E70 X5 35d, X6 50i, X6 35i, E60 550i, E46 M3 Cabriolet, E39 540i, E36 328i
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01-17-2014, 09:49 PM	#2
chrisny Brigadier General 547 Rep 3,307 Posts Drives: 2020 X5 40i Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	I like our F15 better than the E70 we had simply because it's more advanced - tech, engine, transmission, styling, interior, etc. We had an E70 in '07 and I was every bit as happy with that, at that time, as we are now with the F15. But, done right, newer is always better to me. And this vehicle was done right. It's an evolution of the X5 (not nearly as different than the E70 as some will have you believe, it's still an X5, just as the E70 was still an X5 compared to the original…). So, I am happier now with the current model, until the next one comes out
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01-18-2014, 11:52 AM	#3
rganguly Private 5 Rep 66 Posts Drives: BMW X5 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (0)	F15 all the way, I had the E70 as well which I traded, the few reasons being technology, looks. But whatever you buy you will be happy and enjoy it.
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01-18-2014, 07:52 PM	#4
ADGrant Private 12 Rep 66 Posts Drives: 2011 X5 5.0 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: New York, NY iTrader: (0)	Didn't vote because I still own my E70. I think that the F15 is superior in many respects. The major drawback is the steering. It's enough of a problem for me that I have been looking at other brands.
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01-19-2014, 03:14 PM	#6
Galion Private First Class 48 Rep 104 Posts Drives: X5 - 750iL Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Brasil iTrader: (0)	Agree, steering in my e70 was way too heavy, F15 is much lighter, not a good thing though, something in between would have been perfect, steering feel lacks on both... The X5 is a big, heavy and practical SUV, so I wouldnt call it a drawback, this is no sports car.
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BMWMN1971 Lieutenant 163 Rep 533 Posts Drives: 2014 BMW X5 xDrive35i MSport Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: MN iTrader: (0)	Loved my E70 but love my F15 much more The E70 was getting tired and outdated. The F15 brought all the technology that was missing in the E70 and much more.
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hyde Lieutenant Colonel 550 Rep 1,744 Posts Drives: 2024 X3m40i Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	I was curious about this too, I wanted to start a new thread, lucky I search first. I hope nobody minds me bumping this. 22 votes but only 8 replies..
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09-13-2014, 02:30 AM	#12
Carmo99 New Member 3 Rep 24 Posts Drives: BMW X5 M50d Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Switzerland iTrader: (0)	I upgraded 4 months ago E70 30d to F15 M50d. I also looked at the Macan but it was too small and with the same toys was more expensive. The Cayenne is way too much and in my mind too flashy also. The F15 is a big step forwards, quieter, smoother, more economical, nicer interior and latest tech. I am wondering why I waited to change!
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HMN Captain 359 Rep 657 Posts Drives: 2024 X5MC LCI, 2017 F86 X6M Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dubai - U.A.E. iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW X5 [0.00]	Technically I won't be eligable to vote since I used to have an E71, but since the E70 and E71 are practically the same car I'd say I definitely like the F15 better. The increased power is one of the main reasons actually. In the previous models you won't notice the change from normal mode to sport mode, but in the new models you definitely do and that is probably the best change for me. I did like the E71's handling better though but once again the X6 is a better handler.
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09-13-2014, 10:13 AM	#17
Propofoln Speedster 50 Rep 276 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW X7 M60i Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0)	Had 3 E70s. (2007 X5 35i, 2007 X5 4.8, 2012 X5D). We built and got a 2015 X5D about a month ago. The F15 blows the E70 out of the water in every respect except for steering, only if you like the heavy hydraulic steering Pluses 1.looks 2. Ride- so much smoother without taking away sporty characteristics 3. Quieter- amazingly more so 4. Better tech- updated HUD, led headlamps, Idrive etc 5. More luxiourious interior- huge upgrade here 6. Better gas mileage- drive 600 miles before even looking for a gas station 7. Diesel engine is so much quieter 8. Availability of the Bang and Olufsen- am an audiophile, so waited for this option. It's awesome As you can see, we love it. Much bigger than a Macan and looks more masculine
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09-13-2014, 07:10 PM	#22
hyde Lieutenant Colonel 550 Rep 1,744 Posts Drives: 2024 X3m40i Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	Steering seems to be the main complaint and this is totally valid since this is a thread for "E70 to F15" or "E70 vs F15", and I love the feedback so far. Having test-driven both F15 Luxury and M-Sport packages, I can totally see while everything in driving characteristics of E70 remain, steering is missing. Owners of last gen X5 either hated the steering or loved it. There wasn't anything in between like "I don't mind it" or "meh, it's OK".. One thing I was hoping to hear from you guys is the suspension. If you came from Stock E70 (non-M) to a stock F15 (lux or xline) how did you find the suspension & ride quality? Not just the comfort, but did you find it to have more body roll, or were the tires as good as they were in E70? I know some break-in period required, about 1500miles in general for run flats, but how did overall package fair in your experience coming from E70? My '12 E70 tires are extremely grippy, in comparison I found F15 tires (stock 19" Lux rims) to be a bit jumpy, maybe they were over inflated, but it felt like when I rolled over a small pebble, the whole tire lifted off pavement instead of hugging the pebble. Maybe it was had too much air.
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