Nürburgring aka 'Green Hell' (visiting) advice and footage

[fs1977]

Inexperienced is not necessarily the problem, it's overconfidence which leads to overdriving. That it's a mid engined car probably doesn't help.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Sad tale of how an Alfa 4C with carbon fibre chassis crashed on the 'Ring.

The Nürburgring is a treacherous track. No PlayStation playground.

The 4C driver racing it clearly unprepared for the first time ever with the express attitude "I wanted to show off a little", was a red flag. The steering wheel hand positioning of the 4C driver was also a red flag (didn't know the importance of the 9 and 3 o'clock positioning). Almost losing control at Kleines Karussell (Schwalbenschwanz) was a humbling warning he failed to heed.

Of course easy for all of us to point this out from our comfortable seats. We all can crash. But overconfidence ("I wanted to show off a little") on a treacherous race track was a big part of the equation here.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The Nürburgring is a treacherous track. No PlayStation playground.

The 4C driver racing it clearly unprepared for the first time ever with the express attitude "I wanted to show off a little", was a red flag. The steering wheel hand positioning of the 4C driver was also a red flag (didn't know the importance of the 9 and 3 o'clock positioning). Almost losing control at Kleines Karussell (Schwalbenschwanz) was a humbling warning he failed to heed.

Of course easy for all of us to point this out from our comfortable seats. We all can crash. But overconfidence ("I wanted to show off a little") on a treacherous race track was a big part of the equation here.

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Overconfidence for first timers on the Ring usually comes after they 'get away with something' like you mentioned on the Kleines Karussell and feeling ''if I got away with that then I can get away with anything.'' He then pushed the car to the limit and beyond which he couldn't retrieve hence the special Alfa would likely need a new carbon chassis on top of the panel damage possibly rendering it totalled.

[M5Rick]

Glad I found this one, car is all stock at 560bhp.

''The M2 that I drove earlier was more difficult to handle than this car''
M5 is fitted with P Zeros which were getting hot. With MPS4S I'd guess corner speeds would be taken quicker.

[M5Rick]

Previous series E60 M5 V10 SMG at 507bhp with a very happy owner.

With Bridgestone tyres and all stock apart from I think slightly moded exhaust.

[fs1977]

Bit of a suprise, but there will be a new exit for TF in 2025. I wonder if it helps al lot with the long queus on busy days.

[fs1977]

To be clear, it's an extra option for busy days. The existing options (to do another lap or leave the track) will remain.

[helmet91]

It definitely should alleviate the insane traffic jams at the roundabout... I was down there a few weeks ago and the queue between entering the TF entrance, heading to the auxiliary lots or trying to head into town or out onto the L93 was nuts. I've never seen it that bad. This seems like a great idea.

[fs1977]

I've heard that as of 2025, most of the German insurance companies are changing there terms especially the ones regarding or concerning the Nürburgring. The legal liability insurance will no longer be valid on the Nürburgring. That means that while driving Tourist Drives in their own car they will no longer be insured. Something that was already the case for most Dutch drivers and insurance companies. Don't know about other countries, but it ads more risk to what already is fairly risky.

[Artemis]

1970:

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

1970:

Far too fast corner entry speed there, Porsche and BMW 3's just about looked to have had the best anti-roll over tech then with Opel Kadett, Fiat 850 S coupe and Simca bad and 'poor mans 911' the Beetle an absolute joke.