New generation already?

[cmyx6go]

BMW’s third-gen X5 could get axed after just four years on the market


https://www.yahoo.com/autos/bmw-thir...152418369.html

[LBBX5M]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

BMW’s third-gen X5 could get axed after just four years on the market


https://www.yahoo.com/autos/bmw-thir...152418369.html

That is just SAD! i would say another 2 years for an M model ? maybe??

[AwesomeM3]

Wow, that's a very short life cycle for the F15.

[jhnmcdrmtt]

Hope they add adaptive cruise to the new M ;-)

[DallasCajun]

Saw this story yesterday...not sure what to think until we see more. If it's true, it just means that the new X5M might be coming around the time that I'm going to be itching to move to something new. And no telling what I'll be wanting by then...

[onfireX5]

Carbon Fiber and aluminum frame. 4000 lb M would be interesting.

[AlexLou1222]

Perfect, get the new tech on par with the 7 series, and then about time for me to switch!!!

[jcfay]

I read something about a V12 too. Jeez

[vince7870]

That sux!just sold my 1st gen raptor as I was afraid of value plummeting when gen 2 came out this fall! Now this! Just great....at least I got 3 years out of the truck and lost very little value. Looks like I'll be taking a bath in this one!

[AlexLou1222]

I would trade the V8TT for a V12, something always specially about the V12, wish they would use the M760i motor...

[Phatcat]

Well, the F15 used E70's platform, so I guess BMW this time really wanted a "New" X5.

I still don't believe we will see it next year, but likely the F15 platform will have a shorter life than the E70.

[jcfay]

i'm happy I just got this generation of the M. They'll be a few bugs, I'd expect, and it'll still be a few years for a new X5M/X6M anyway, I'd expect. And who knows - there have been plenty examples of newer gens not living up to the expectations or performance of the old generations anyway (I sold my normally aspirated 6.2L '14 C63, and then new gen is cool, but now a twin turbo V8, and folks are missing the old gen normally aspirated growl). So I wouldn't worry too much.

[ajob]

On a longer term perspective, today's X5 M is a dream come true, unthinkable even a few years ago...

If something better may arrive, great, but isn't that more of a hope than a threat?

As for a V12 on an X5, I'm unconvinced; it may capture big glamour on Beverly Hills, but for street enjoyment it works backwards: V12s shine at higher rpm, where modern turbo technology loses its far greater edge.

Who knows, if passengers need to be impressed, a turbo V8 with a loud V12 ASD may be best... if fed into the passenger's headset, not through my car's audio!

[jcfay]

Originally Posted by ajob

On a longer term perspective, today's X5 M is a dream come true, unthinkable even a few years ago...

If something better may arrive, great, but isn't that more of a hope than a threat?

As for a V12 on an X5, I'm unconvinced; it may capture big glamour on Beverly Hills, but for street enjoyment it works backwards: V12s shine at higher rpm, where modern turbo technology loses its far greater edge.

Who knows, if passengers need to be impressed, a turbo V8 with a loud V12 ASD may be best... if fed into the passenger's headset, not through my car's audio!

If BMW doesn't kill ASD soon, I swear I'll lost all respect for the brand. It just makes me ill...

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

BMWÂ’s third-gen X5 could get axed after just four years on the market


https://www.yahoo.com/autos/bmw-thir...152418369.html

I can only assume that a focus group or two was found to greatly prefer the next generation X3 to the F15 X5 and/or BMW wants to create space for the X7 by shrinking the X5 back to E70 proportions. I imagine there are manufacturing synergies (parts, subsystems, etc.) with the forthcoming 5-series, as well.

[onfireX5]

TTV8 > 12

[ajob]

Originally Posted by jcfay

If BMW doesn't kill ASD soon, I swear I'll lost all respect for the brand. It just makes me ill...

I begin to think that ASD is here to stay for a deeper reason: epochally, we are switching heavily to electric cars (more and more selfdriving) with bored drivers-turning-passengers.

The younger "Playstation generation" has no emotional attachment to natural engine noise, but a pure electrical whine is "unsexy" even for them -and future cars may be chosen also for their interior sound environments.

In addition, a quiet electric motor allows all kinds of unpleasant car noises to emerge: tires, HVAC, body creakings... all stuff that needs to be masked by a more pleasant environment sound, also to avoid costly customer complaints.

With ASD we may be seeing an industry-wide movement starting to add (read: impose) synthetic noise in all cars and thus blur the otherwise unbridgeable noise environments between current and electric cars.

But I could be very wrong...

[UrbanExtant]

Originally Posted by jcfay

If BMW doesn't kill ASD soon, I swear I'll lost all respect for the brand. It just makes me ill...

Reviews report that the M4 GTS doesn't have ASD at all in it. Maybe that's a good sign for the rest of the M lineup to come in the next few years. When I spoke with someone from BMW Corporate at an event last autumn, he indicated they are aware how much so many people dislike ASD in the vehicles. I told him I felt it was a great disrespect to people who are loyal to, and love the M brand to force them to hear ASD, and offer no easy way to turn it off in the iDrive.

[UrbanExtant]

Originally Posted by ajob

I begin to think that ASD is here to stay for a deeper reason: epochally, we are switching heavily to electric cars (more and more selfdriving) with bored drivers-turning-passengers.

The younger "Playstation generation" has no emotional attachment to natural engine noise, but a pure electrical whine is "unsexy" even for them -and future cars may be chosen also for their interior sound environments.

In addition, a quiet electric motor allows all kinds of unpleasant car noises to emerge: tires, HVAC, body creakings... all stuff that needs to be masked by a more pleasant environment sound, also to avoid costly customer complaints.

With ASD we may be seeing an industry-wide movement starting to add (read: impose) synthetic noise in all cars and thus blur the otherwise unbridgeable noise environments between current and electric cars.

But I could be very wrong...

You hit this right on the head! We have an i3 BEV as an around the town fun, efficient little car. My husband is enamored with electric vehicles. Their is a huge issue with the BEV version of the i3, though. The heat pump system is crazy loud. When the variable speed compressor gets up over 8k rpms, it is so loud one can here it quite a large distance in the house from where the car is parked. People in parking lots will turn and look at you, trying to figure out what the hell the noise is. We had a super tech from BMW investigate it, and his response was it is normal, and if the vehicle had an internal combustion engine in it, the noise would be masked. I disagreed slightly, as there is a point where a noise is simply too loud to be masked by an engine, but it did bring to the forefront a problem that will be encountered as vehicles become quieter and quieter as time goes on.

[vince7870]

Originally Posted by jcfay

If BMW doesn't kill ASD soon, I swear I'll lost all respect for the brand. It just makes me ill...

Contact my boy Okee over at CodeMyCar.com and he'll code it out from any where with remote programming!

[jcfay]

Originally Posted by vince7870

Contact my boy Okee over at CodeMyCar.com and he'll code it out from any where with remote programming!

Oh I've already coded it out, but I just hope BMW does away with it altogether. At least for internal combustion engine cars. For EVs, I guess I might want some nice internal white noise but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want fake muffler.