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      11-10-2014, 03:18 PM   #23
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there is a non-documented dipstick on the 35d (I don't actually own one yet). It's mentioned in the N57 technical manual, but nowhere in the owner's manual and not in plain sight.

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How do we check our oil level then? We can't, right? I assume we just would have to completely drain and then fill up whatever the recommended oil amount is - in my case, 9.5 quartz.

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Unfortunately still unanswered. In theory always under fill, slowly top up.
Worst is overfill. Even my SA could not quantify (when I asked) but after every dealer change the vehicle status, oil check displays green, ok. So how do they do it, logically the quantity has to be spelled out somewhere.
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How do we check our oil level then? We can't, right? I assume we just would have to completely drain and then fill up whatever the recommended oil amount is - in my case, 9.5 quartz.

Mysticblue asked the same q:
http://f15.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...;highlight=oil

Unfortunately still unanswered. In theory always under fill, slowly top up.
Worst is overfill. Even my SA could not quantify (when I asked) but after every dealer change the vehicle status, oil check displays green, ok. So how do they do it, logically the quantity has to be spelled out somewhere.
Please see the 6th or 7th post where I provide a link to detailed specs for the 50i. That same site has all the specs for all the difference engines. As I am mobile now, I can't easily search / browse that site.
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Please see the 6th or 7th post where I provide a link to detailed specs for the 50i. That same site has all the specs for all the difference engines. As I am mobile now, I can't easily search / browse that site.
Yeah, I'm going by your site. 9.5 quartz. When I change the oil, I'll let everyone know exactly how much it takes. I'm still torn on whether I should use Redline 5w30 or Royal Purple with Synerlec 5w30 (both are high performance full synthetic).

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Yeah, I'm going by your site. 9.5 quartz. When I change the oil, I'll let everyone know exactly how much it takes. I'm still torn on whether I should use Redline 5w30 or Royal Purple with Synerlec 5w30 (both are high performance full synthetic).

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Please see the 6th or 7th post where I provide a link to detailed specs for the 50i. That same site has all the specs for all the difference engines. As I am mobile now, I can't easily search / browse that site.
Hate leaving a half finished response (above). You can find all the specs, including oil capacity, following this link: http://www.automobile-catalog.com/model/bmw/x5_f15.html

The site is terrible for maneuvering. The 35i for US does not show oil capacity it for instance, but the clicking on the Euro version shows:

"According to our sources, oil, coolant and fuel capacity for this version of 2015 BMW X5 xDrive35i are as follows:

Engine lubricant oil capacity: 6.5 liter / 6.9 U.S. qt / 5.7 imp. qt"

"According to our sources, oil, coolant and fuel capacity for this version of 2015 BMW X5 xDrive30d are as follows:

Engine lubricant oil capacity: 6.5 liter / 6.9 U.S. qt / 5.7 imp. qt"
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I was wrong.

Here is the picture of the dip stick on my 2014 35d. It's easy to find once you know where to look. I put a white paper towel behind the stick and pulled it out a bit. After putting 7 quarts for the change, the dip stick shows full - and not over-filled. Very odd BMW doesn't tell you about it.

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I was wrong.

Here is the picture of the dip stick on my 2014 35d. It's easy to find once you know where to look. I put a white paper towel behind the stick and pulled it out a bit. After putting 7 quarts for the change, the dip stick shows full - and not over-filled. Very odd BMW doesn't tell you about it.

Thanks to c3uo for the link to the diagram.
Nice - Thanks for the picture!
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Excellent guys... Thank you.
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Great write up 42! BMW's are the easiest cars to change the oil on. The filter being located up top makes it a lot easier too. I change my 535 In about 20-25 min. My wife used to have Lexus IS350 and the filter went into the side of the engine block underneath. It was a SOB to get out. Lexus wanted to sell me a $40 wrench just to remove the filter. I said whatever and used a adjustable band oil filter wrench.

I'm OCD like and like to clean the inside of my filter casing. Glad you said to add a little oil to the new rubber O ring. I've seen some on the forum start having an oil leak on their filter cap because the rubber O ring wrinkled or got chewed up upon tightening.
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I was wrong.

Here is the picture of the dip stick on my 2014 35d. It's easy to find once you know where to look. I put a white paper towel behind the stick and pulled it out a bit. After putting 7 quarts for the change, the dip stick shows full - and not over-filled. Very odd BMW doesn't tell you about it.

Thanks to c3uo for the link to the diagram.
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42pilot, nice post at a good time. I plan to change the oil in my wife's 2015 35d this weekend. She has about 4,500 miles on it. I went to the dealership to purchase the necessary oil and filter, but they told me that it takes 8 quarts, not 7. Did you check your oil level after putting 7 quarts in?
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It's 6.5 liters or 6.87 quarts. I emptied all 7 quarts and it brought the level up to the upper limit on the stick. Even the iDrive confirms full.

It seems you can teach your dealer something. I wonder if they've been over-filling other 35d's?
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42pilot, nice post at a good time. I plan to change the oil in my wife's 2015 35d this weekend. She has about 4,500 miles on it. I went to the dealership to purchase the necessary oil and filter, but they told me that it takes 8 quarts, not 7. Did you check your oil level after putting 7 quarts in?
Most dealers use recycled oil (just found this out recently through my friend who has worked at various dealers) and I can also confirm this. My cousin's Volvo S60 T6 R-design takes full synthetic castrol edge 5w30 7 quartz. Guess what we found when we recently changed the oil ourselves this past weekend. The dealer did the last oil change. It was regular oil with 9 quartz. They make you think you have full synthetic by overfilling with a cheaper version to let you get those similar miles a full synthetic oil would give you in less quartz. Really shady practices. Don't listen to the dealer at all. 42pilot's information is very accurate. Stick with what you learn on these DIY forums. Dealerships get away with so much, it's not even funny.
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What does overfilling have to do with using used oil? I don't understand how overfilling would somehow cover up the fact that they are using used oil. Overfilling would generate a warning and cause them more work, negating any savings they would see by using used oil.
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What does overfilling have to do with using used oil? I don't understand how overfilling would somehow cover up the fact that they are using used oil. Overfilling would generate a warning and cause them more work, negating any savings they would see by using used oil.
I'm not sure exactly how Volvo systems work to be totally honest. However, my cousin looked up the manufacturer specs and forums much like we do here and it is 7 quartz for his vehicle. When we emptied it, it was 9 quartz and my buddy showed that it wasn't full synthetic by the color and consistency. I was also confused by the overfilling because our BMW systems would have errors in the instrument cluster/iDrive showing that. I'm not saying BMW uses these practices, but they exist. Also, based on the info 42pilot and another member posted, there is conflicting info between what is actually there and what the dealer says. I'm just making people aware to always tread with caution if you own your vehicle and start noticing random issues with your engine. Some guy named Eagle11 keeps going on and on in bimmerfest about how bad the 50i v8 is in other cars showing black smoke and what not. It could all be related. So far, none of us have had issues with our 50i, but information always helps, good or bad.

Actually no, I take that back. You can clear codes via ENET/OBD2 port software and clear oil change errors right from the cluster, so those errors can be hidden if a dealership is in fact using these practices. I really hope that we are getting the best service possible, but you never know. I'm sorry if this alarms people, but it's good to know what is going into your vehicle.
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I'm not sure exactly how Volvo systems work to be totally honest. However, my cousin looked up the manufacturer specs and forums much like we do here and it is 7 quartz for his vehicle. When we emptied it, it was 9 quartz and my buddy showed that it wasn't full synthetic by the color and consistency. I was also confused by the overfilling because our BMW systems would have errors in the instrument cluster/iDrive showing that. I'm not saying BMW uses these practices, but they exist. Also, based on the info 42pilot and another member posted, there is conflicting info between what is actually there and what the dealer says. I'm just making people aware to always tread with caution if you own your vehicle and start noticing random issues with your engine. Some guy named Eagle11 keeps going on and on in bimmerfest about how bad the 50i v8 is in other cars showing black smoke and what not. It could all be related. So far, none of us have had issues with our 50i, but information always helps, good or bad.

Actually no, I take that back. You can clear codes via ENET/OBD2 port software and clear oil change errors right from the cluster, so those errors can be hidden if a dealership is in fact using these practices. I really hope that we are getting the best service possible, but you never know. I'm sorry if this alarms people, but it's good to know what is going into your vehicle.
I would be extremely surprised if a BMW dealer were doing this. I suppose it has happened, but there is no way this is common. And clearing any overfill error message wouldn't do anything. If I had my oil changed at a dealer, then got an overfill warning, I would be back at the dealer and they would have to deal with it. Clearing the code wouldn't do anything, it would just come right back. If a BMW dealer ever got caught doing this, there would be big trouble. And they would get caught sooner or later. It just makes no sense.
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I would be extremely surprised if a BMW dealer were doing this. I suppose it has happened, but there is no way this is common. And clearing any overfill error message wouldn't do anything. If I had my oil changed at a dealer, then got an overfill warning, I would be back at the dealer and they would have to deal with it. Clearing the code wouldn't do anything, it would just come right back. If a BMW dealer ever got caught doing this, there would be big trouble. And they would get caught sooner or later. It just makes no sense.
You're probably right in how low the chances are considering BMW is a high brand name - my post was simply for informative purposes. Just as a learning experience, it's always good to ask what your dealer is putting in - some dealerships actually are helpful/care about what they do with your vehicle. Some on the other hand, not so much. The more we learn about our vehicles, the better we can take care of them. No one cares for your car as much as you...that is a fact .
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You're probably right in how low the chances are considering BMW is a high brand name - my post was simply for informative purposes. Just as a learning experience, it's always good to ask what your dealer is putting in - some dealerships actually are helpful/care about what they do with your vehicle. Some on the other hand, not so much. The more we learn about our vehicles, the better we can take care of them. No one cares for your car as much as you...that is a fact .
I agree with that. I have done my own oil changes in between BMW's free ones for years. It always makes me nervous to let them do it. Like you say, the attention to detail just isn't going to be there when it's not theirs. I'm not too concerned with purposeful fraud, I'm more concerned with simple mistakes being made.
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I agree with that. I have done my own oil changes in between BMW's free ones for years. It always makes me nervous to let them do it. Like you say, the attention to detail just isn't going to be there when it's not theirs.
Glad we agree on that . Also, sorry if anything about my previous posts were negative or wrong. I tend to just share new things I learn, and it's feedback like yours and from other knowledgeable members that helps me understand things better.
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I agree that you should try to keep an eye on service. I had to go back to service as the oil filter was not fully tightened as oil was on my garage floor. Some minor stuff was, tire top up with regular air, brake fluid requested to be changed, then after car was serviced the invoice did not list the fluid part item, so when I questioned the SA who in turned questioned the technician. The response was yes it was done, I walked away with that weird feeling. I always decline the car wash as it is by automatic.
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I have very little faith in the dealer. I'm sure that they don't know as much as people on here do. When I had taken my M3 in for servicing they had overfilled that. My brother also has a similar car which they overfilled at a different dealership. So I really am not too thrilled about these free oil changes. I would actually do that myself preferably because I know they would be done correctly
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