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      12-04-2019, 12:59 PM   #67
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maybe but for sure Amsterdam is politically one of the most left oriented cities in the Netherlands (maybe only surpassed by Nijmegen), and has been for a long long long time.
Due to that, generally you only find 2 kind of people living in Amsterdam: either very rich or very poor. The middle class can't afford it and still earn too much to apply for all kinds of benefits for poor people (like subsidized rental living etc). So they live in the surrounding villages.

Amsterdam is also a nightmare on an administrative level imho (maybe because of that)
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maybe but for sure Amsterdam is politically one of the most left oriented cities in the Netherlands (maybe only surpassed by Nijmegen), and has been for a long long long time.
Due to that, generally you only find 2 kind of people living in Amsterdam: either very rich or very poor. The middle class can't afford it and still earn too much to apply for all kinds of benefits for poor people (like subsidized rental living etc). So they live in the surrounding villages.

Amsterdam is also a nightmare on an administrative level imho (maybe because of that)
all true, and I suspect this is happening in many other places in europe but the media (also left leaning and biased) doesn't tend to report on it.
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all true, and I suspect this is happening in many other places in europe but the media (also left leaning and biased) doesn't tend to report on it.
I don't think it's 'happening'. I think it has been the status quo for well over half a century and probably by now over a century. It's very common that inhabitants of large cities tend to vote more left than right.
No matter if it's Amsterdam, Paris, London or New York for that matter.
It's a result of the population composition. Cities tend to have a way larger percentage of workers and social groups below that (economically). That has been the way probably since the industrial revolution.

I also don't think the media is left leaning and biased. Certainly not in these days where media is pretty much free to broadcast itself over the world.
20 or 30 years ago that might have been different, but not now, where internet is nowadays probably the main medium for media (so no state regulated output possible anymore). Just as much left biased media corporations as right biased media corporations, conservative media corporations and progressive media corporations. All tending to what their public wants to read and what their advertizers want to sell.
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Dutch mainstream media is left wing oriented, you know that too.
Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad is leaning to the left as well, but basically leftist(former Catholic) newspaper Volkskrant is getting more aware of Middle East immigrational problems and what kind of culture M.E people bring to Western EU.

Facebook is left wing.

I really don't think 2020 media is balanced, it's way more left wing oriented in my book unfortunately.

and the EU as a whole leans very very much to the left.

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Dutch mainstream media is left wing oriented, you know that too.
Telegraaf and powned are definately right oriented.
Parool and vpro are definately left oriented.
Vara used to be very left winged but the merge with bnn made them more center oriented.
Tros was defenately right winged, their mergere with Avro in 2014 made them maybe a bit more centered but Avro themselves defiantely wasn't left winged.
The right winged Tros was especially a problem for Vara (I'm talking mid 70's to 80's here) when it turned out that the blue collar class preferred the series and movies that tros was putting on the air instead of the content of Vara (historically the main socialist broadcaster for the blue collar class)

Every political flavour gets tended too, and the one with the largest audience probably gets the most exposure and revenue from its advertizers.

Facebook I dont know, I dont do Facebook. Does Facebook have a political agenda? And youtube? Does it have one?
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Facebook I dont know, I dont do Facebook. Does Facebook have a political agenda? And youtube? Does it have one?
I might venture to say whoever running Facebook and Youtube is 80% politics, and the rest is technology and logistics. And that's the gist of the things about these so called "social business". It's not about technology anymore.
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