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      07-01-2014, 03:43 PM   #243
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All my designer stuff I buy in person at Saks Fifth, I NEVER order that stuff online.. If the Burberry Trench they sold me is fake I'm going to be pissed. lol
I'm sure it's authentic. I don't really think Saks is selling fake goods, online or in their stores. LOL.

The point of the Burberry example was to highlight a straightforward enough case where lots of other makers offer a coat that is essentially identical in appearance to a Burberry trench coat -- as seen by a casual observer -- and yet isn't a Burberry. Take Brook's Brothers trench coat for example. If one doesn't see the label and lining pattern, one would not know it's not a Burberry.

That situation is substantively no different than seeing a watch that looks like a Rolex Datejust, for example, but isn't. Yes, there's a legal distinction (see my post above), but the meat of the matter is the same: visually and for the most part, they are indistinguishable to a casual observer, regardless of what label is on them.

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I think people are talking about cars made there, not cars owned by people there.

Have you been to Shanghai? People drive Ferrari 458s to the supermarket to shop for groceries.
If that's the car they are taking to the grocery store, they aren't buying that many groceries because there's not enough space in the car for that many. LOL. Probably, they loan the housekeeper/cook the Audi A8 (or extended wheelbase 3er) when they genuinely need to replenish their household provisions; that or have the driver take the housekeeper/cook there. <winks>

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All my designer stuff I buy in person at Saks Fifth, I NEVER order that stuff online.. If the Burberry Trench they sold me is fake I'm going to be pissed. lol
I'm sure it's authentic. I don't really think Saks is selling fake goods, online or in their stores. LOL.

The point of the Burberry example was to highlight a straightforward enough case where lots of other makers offer a coat that is essentially identical in appearance to a Burberry trench coat -- as seen by a casual observer -- and yet isn't a Burberry. Take Brook's Brothers trench coat for example. If one doesn't see the label and lining pattern, one would not know it's not a Burberry.

That situation is substantively no different than seeing a watch that looks like a Rolex Datejust, for example, but isn't. Yes, there's a legal distinction (see my post above), but the meat of the matter is the same: visually and for the most part, they are indistinguishable to a casual observer, regardless of what label is on them.

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See your point, but it's been a long time since anyone has really "invented" anything as far as fashion is concerned. The modern trench coat you reference, and a large majority of men's fashion, can be traced back to the military. A lot in fact to the bad guys in WW2. That said your underlying point is valid.
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      07-01-2014, 04:21 PM   #246
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What rolex do you own that needs to be preserved/cant be worn as a daily?
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Unless it a vintage model or has sentimental value I don't understand not getting the enjoyment of wearing them. My Sea-Dweller is in regular rotation and gets worn at least weekly. My wife took over my Explorer II and now wears it as her primary watch.
It took me almost 5 years to save enough "loose change" to purchase my first Rolex, so I'm going to wear it and enjoy. Lots of other watches in my collection, but the Sea-Dweller and Speedmaster get the majority of wrist time.
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Unless it a vintage model or has sentimental value I don't understand not getting the enjoyment of wearing them. My Sea-Dweller is in regular rotation and gets worn at least weekly. My wife took over my Explorer II and now wears it as her primary watch.
It took me almost 5 years to save enough "loose change" to purchase my first Rolex, so I'm going to wear it and enjoy. Lots of other watches in my collection, but the Sea-Dweller and Speedmaster get the majority of wrist time.
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Unless it a vintage model or has sentimental value I don't understand not getting the enjoyment of wearing them. My Sea-Dweller is in regular rotation and gets worn at least weekly. My wife took over my Explorer II and now wears it as her primary watch.
It took me almost 5 years to save enough "loose change" to purchase my first Rolex, so I'm going to wear it and enjoy. Lots of other watches in my collection, but the Sea-Dweller and Speedmaster get the majority of wrist time.
Same thing goes for some people purchasing a 3 series and using another car as a daily driver(unless they did a super low mileage lease). What is the point of doing so. I can understand a gas guzzling c63 or maybe an m3.... but 335i?
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I cleaned out my grandmother's house and was literally throwing away tens of thousands of dollars of stuff with the tags still on being "saved for special occasions." Wear your stuff and enjoy it, if not what's the point?
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I cleaned out my grandmother's house and was literally throwing away tens of thousands of dollars of stuff with the tags still on being "saved for special occasions." Wear your stuff and enjoy it, if not what's the point?
Nothing worth selling?
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If that's the car they are taking to the grocery store, they aren't buying that many groceries because there's not enough space in the car for that many. LOL. Probably, they loan the housekeeper/cook the Audi A8 (or extended wheelbase 3er) when they genuinely need to replenish their household provisions; that or have the driver take the housekeeper/cook there. <winks>

All the best.
There are a lot of rich Chinese people who have moved to the San Francisco area. It is not uncommon to see people driving exotics to the supermarket...

I saw a Chinese lady decked out in brand name clothing and high heels loading up the front passenger seat of her 458 with grocery bags and dog food at the supermarket. To them the car is just a grocery getter and they have something nicer to drive for the weekend.

I think everyone has a story about rich Asian kids flaunting their parents money at college... Kids rolling around in Aventadors at the local community college. The parking lots turn into a exotic car show. lol
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There are a lot of rich Chinese people who have moved to the San Francisco area. It is not uncommon to see people driving exotics to the supermarket...

I saw a Chinese lady decked out in brand name clothing and high heels loading up the front passenger seat of her 458 with grocery bags and dog food at the supermarket. To them the car is just a grocery getter and they have something nicer to drive for the weekend.
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My mistake. I was thinking PRC Chinese rather than the Chinese Americans whom you've observed.

Regardless of the country, I guess if one has the coin like that, one is free to do whatever one pleases with one's fancy car. Even non-wealthy folks are free to do as they see fit...it's really just a matter of how much money one can toss about rather than a difference in the mentality of how one uses one's stuff.

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There are a lot of rich Chinese people who have moved to the San Francisco area. It is not uncommon to see people driving exotics to the supermarket...

I saw a Chinese lady decked out in brand name clothing and high heels loading up the front passenger seat of her 458 with grocery bags and dog food at the supermarket. To them the car is just a grocery getter and they have something nicer to drive for the weekend.

I think everyone has a story about rich Asian kids flaunting their parents money at college... Kids rolling around in Aventadors at the local community college. The parking lots turn into a exotic car show. lol
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I cleaned out my grandmother's house and was literally throwing away tens of thousands of dollars of stuff with the tags still on being "saved for special occasions." Wear your stuff and enjoy it, if not what's the point?
Nothing worth selling?
Long story but had to be done in a single afternoon. Donated all of it to one of those "dress for success" women's charity things that was affiliated w a shelter. Nice clothes for job interviews and whatnot.
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I think people are talking about cars made there, not cars owned by people there.

Have you been to Shanghai? People drive Ferrari 458s to the supermarket to shop for groceries.
No but now I definitely wouldn't mind visiting if that's how it goes down. Also, I get that the topic was more about the domestics, but I figured that would also reflect in what's on the streets. SK domestics are legitimate, not straight blatant rip offs like some of those Chinese companies. I guess without knowing how people roll in China, and whether they buy those fake cars or not, it's not that valid a point.
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My mistake. I was thinking PRC Chinese rather than the Chinese Americans whom you've observed.

Regardless of the country, I guess if one has the coin like that, one is free to do whatever one pleases with one's fancy car. Even non-wealthy folks are free to do as they see fit...it's really just a matter of how much money one can toss about rather than a difference in the mentality of how one uses one's stuff.

All the best.
Well, these are not Chinese American as in Chinese people who grew up in the US. They are immigrants from overseas who have moved to the US because they have a lot of money and want to enjoy the benefits of living in the US. (less crowded, better schools, cheaper cost of living, less pollution, food safety etc.)

Most of the time they bring their lifestyle to the US with them so they spend and live as they did overseas. Showing off brand name items and luxury goods is a sign to show one's stature in a country (China) where the economy is booming and money talks. Unfortunately it doesn't exactly translate the same to the US where showing off such things is sometimes distasteful.

And yes, people do drive their Ferrari to go shopping in China...
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And old boss of mine once told me that when you're explaining, you're losing. I think that applies to quite a few posts in this thread.
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That situation is substantively no different than seeing a watch that looks like a Rolex Datejust, for example, but isn't. Yes, there's a legal distinction (see my post above), but the meat of the matter is the same: visually and for the most part, they are indistinguishable to a casual observer, regardless of what label is on them.
This is true. Most people don't know much about watches nor do they care.

I often get complemented on my Seiko 5 dive watch and they ask if it's a Rolex... I guess in some ways it looks like a Submariner and to them they can't tell the difference. It just looks like an expensive watch and they automatically associate that with a popular brand name like Rolex.
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This is true. Most people don't know much about watches nor do they care.

I often get complemented on my Seiko 5 dive watch and they ask if it's a Rolex... I guess in some ways it looks like a Submariner and to them they can't tell the difference. It just looks like an expensive watch and they automatically associate that with a popular brand name like Rolex.
I am a huge fan of Seikos. Seiko 5s often run in the $50-$100 range and yet they're some of the best built, classiest looking watches on the market. They're spectacular.

A waiter at a restaurant was casually admiring my Seiko one time. Price was brought up during our discussion and he was blown away that such a nice looking watch only cost $400. He said it looked more like a $4,000 watch than a $400 watch.

With a Seiko you get 60% of the 'engineering' of a Rolex for 1% of the price. I've had my watch for probably 10 years now with 0 problems. It runs immaculately to this day.
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And old boss of mine once told me that when you're explaining, you're losing. I think that applies to quite a few posts in this thread.
Apples and oranges my friend.

This is a forum for discussions, so explanations are what we do. To dismiss something because someone is trying to explain a position is to be insensitive, rude, and largely unappreciative.
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And old boss of mine once told me that when you're explaining, you're losing. I think that applies to quite a few posts in this thread.
Apples and oranges my friend.

This is a forum for discussions, so explanations are what we do. To dismiss something because someone is trying to explain a position is to be insensitive, rude, and largely unappreciative.
+1 this is far from an ideal means of communication and things are often misunderstood.
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What is the attraction of "designer" goods?
You are not really buying a better product...most any $500 watch will keep perfect time, last a lifetime and plenty of them are good looking timepieces.
I bought a replica IWC 3717, looks indistinguishable from the real thing and keeps perfect time - if I bought a real one would I enjoy the ownership experience more?... because it does nothing for me now (although when I bought it I thought it would), its on my wrist, it tells the time and thats it.
There must be some sort of Psychology that explains why for some people the pleasure of ownership of something is tied to its $ value more than the thing itself.
Even when I had a job where they paid me stupid money and plenty of my work friends bought Rolexs I bought a Seiko.
I suspect that even if I had a real IWC I wouldn't enjoy owning it more than the one I already have. I am always embarrassed when people have asked me how much I have paid for whatever expensive car I've owned.
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