Brembo on a budget! Let's make x5 great again :)

djrabbi · 09-20-2019, 03:36 PM

So now, I am thinking of not doing rear caliper upgrade. Thought it would look great, Tro-nik wants almost $1000 for rear set up. I will just do the front caliper upgrade and keep stock rears and call it a day.!

Mr.47 · 09-20-2019, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrabbi

So now, I am thinking of not doing rear caliper upgrade. Thought it would look great, Tro-nik wants almost $1000 for rear set up. I will just do the front caliper upgrade and keep stock rears and call it a day.!

I have the same setup as your at the moment (X5M caliper and rotors on the front and the 50i brake caliper and rotors) Been driving it for a several months now like this. It's not bad when braking normally, however I notice when braking moderately or hard you can feel the front brakes are doing most of the braking, ie nose dip, front tires begin to slightly screech (i have 20in staggered rims), ABS actuating when braking moderately. Comparatively to the 50i brake rotors the M rear rotors are quite a bit larger (X5m @ 385mm, 50i at 345mm in diameter). Keep looking around on the market for a set of the caliper and mounts. I have the x5m caliper and mounts but I've been having trouble deciding on which brand makes a good set of rear rotors.

djrabbi · 09-20-2019, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.47

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrabbi

So now, I am thinking of not doing rear caliper upgrade. Thought it would look great, Tro-nik wants almost $1000 for rear set up. I will just do the front caliper upgrade and keep stock rears and call it a day.!

I have the same setup as your at the moment (X5M caliper and rotors on the front and the 50i brake caliper and rotors) Been driving it for a several months now like this. It's not bad when braking normally, however I notice when braking moderately or hard you can feel the front brakes are doing most of the braking, ie nose dip, front tires begin to slightly screech (i have 20in staggered rims), ABS actuating when braking moderately. Comparatively to the 50i brake rotors the M rear rotors are quite a bit larger (X5m @ 385mm, 50i at 345mm in diameter). Keep looking around on the market for a set of the caliper and mounts. I have the caliper and mounts but i'm looking for a good set of rear rotors.

You mean X5 M rear calipers? Would those bolt up without modification?

Maverik259 · 09-21-2019, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrabbi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radekxpl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.47

I had a hard time trying to figure out how the hell to code this damn brakes, however after a few hours of youtube videos and sifting thru post after post, I finally figured it out and wanted to write a comprehensive coding in ESYS 3.27.1 since there isn't any pertaining to our F15 X5 M sport brake coding.

Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any damages, injuries or death following this steps...I'm hardly an novice and more of an imbecile when it comes to coding BMW...so if your unsure on following these steps seek an expert coder for assistance.

Pre-step, Make sure your car is hooked up to an battery charger with at least 14V to prevent vehicle from going into sleep mode. Leave keys in the vehicle, and hit start button without starting engine (no foot on brakes) and connect OBD to your computer/laptop with ESYS

1. Start connection click on the Icon that is highlighted in red

2.Select F025 and click connect this is F15 X5 F16 X6 specific, this may take a moment (WHATEVER YOU DO NOT SELECT DIRECT)

3. Click read then save

4. Save it securely, you may choose any name for our example we'll use "feb 26 fa 3"

5. After saving click EDIT and it should automatically take you to FA-Editor

6. Expand all the folders and find HO-WORT, Right Click, select NEW and click on HO-WORT

8. You'll be prompted with a small text box within the drop down folders, type in SBRE and hit enter. (SBRE is for F15 M sport brake code)

9. Right click on the FA folder, then click on calculate FP

10. It should populate the vehicle profile with no error message...now if your ESYS is working properly it should show "Aftermarket Addon", in our case its folder 8, expand folder 8 and it should be another folder with 2376, which is 18in sportbrake for F15, this confirms that file is coded and ready to be written on vehicle. Besure to click the save disk (highlighted in red) to save it.

11. Look over to the left tab and click on "Expert Mode" then click on VCM and you should see a screen like this.

12. Next look down and find for vehicle order section, select file tab and click the |...| box (highlighted in red) to load the file that we saved on the FA editor. In our case the feb 26 fa 3.xml

13 Expand the FA files and find the HO-WORT to verify the SBRE is added

14. Right click on FA and click on calculate FP this should populate the Vehicle profile section with folders

15. In the Vehicle profile expand folder 8 and verify that 2376 is present (highlighted in green box), then click on the Master tab (highlighted orange box) and click on Write FA FP (highlighted red box) if all goes right there shouldn't be any errors popping up.

16.On the left tab click on expert mode thencoding (highlighted in orange), after if opens, click on Read and save, name the file diffrentely for our example i added coded in the end of file name, feel free to name it whatever you want.

17. After Read and Save, expand all the files and find Ho-wort and look for SBRE and in vehicle profile look for folder 8 and subfolder 2376 this means is has been written into the car but we still have to code into the module for it to be completed.

18. Now we need to code the new HO-WORT into the appropriate Module, click on the Read ECU (highlighted in red) and SAVE a copy.

19. In the SVT section, find DSC2 right click and select Code...this will take 1-5 mins and you'll see an ABS Warning message that will pop up for a second and disappear as it should resolve on its on (ESYS will erase the fault code automatically) it should not reappear.

20. If you did it all correctly you should have no errors and you'll get a abgeschlossen bearbeitung (process completed) dialog and a close button. (didn't get the image of it). Click close and another popup will appear and will ask you to save a text on what it did, it's up to you if you want to save it or not doesn't hurt either ways.

21. Click disconnect and your done. You now have successfully coded M Sport brake on your X5

I haven't driven it yet so I'll find out this afternoon on how it goes, it is super late lol its 0500 as of now time for some ZzZzZzZz

Hey, I'm trying to code these brakes and I have run into some trouble at the very last set to code DSC module process gets started by at the end I get this message:

Caf's suchen
Tal wird generiert
Abarbeitung wird gestartet

TAL execution started.
ExecutionID=2019/09/19-19:35:27.011
[] prepareTALExecution started
[] prepareTALExecution finished
[] prepareVehicleForCoding started
[] prepareVehicleForCoding finished
[DSC2 - 29] prepareECUforCoding started
[DSC2 - 29] prepareECUforCoding finished
[DSC2 - 29] authenticateECUforCoding started
[DSC2 - 29] authenticateECUforCoding finished
[DSC2 - 29 - cafd_00000c18-016_052_001] Transaction type: cdDeploy; Message: TA started
[DSC2 - 29 - cafd_00000c18-016_052_001] Transaction type: cdDeploy; Message: TA finished
[DSC2 - 29] finalizeECUCoding started
[DSC2 - 29] finalizeECUCoding finished
[] finalizeVehicleCoding started
[] finalizeVehicleCoding finished
[] finalizeTALExecution started
[] finalizeTALExecution finished
TAL execution finished
TAL-Execution finished with status: "Finished". [C207]
TAL execution finished. Duration: "19s". [C206]
MSM update: Read current SVT. [C194]
MSM update started. [C215]
MCDDiagService<id=378649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_ReadF11DataFromMSM, service=RC_GET_PARAMETER_N11 - RoutineControll GetParameter N11, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=MSM_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=398649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.common.MCD3_ReadF11DataFromC smClients, service=RC_GET_PARAM_N11_CSM - RoutineControll GetParameter N11 CSM, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=HU_NBT_63_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=378649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_ReadF11DataFromMSM, service=RC_GET_PARAMETER_N11 - RoutineControll GetParameter N11, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=MSM_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=378649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_ReadF11DataFromMSM, service=RC_GET_PARAMETER_N11 - RoutineControll GetParameter N11, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=MSM_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=398649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.common.MCD3_ReadF11DataFromC smClients, service=RC_GET_PARAM_N11_CSM - RoutineControll GetParameter N11 CSM, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=HU_NBT_63_ETHERNET>
MCDDiagService<id=378649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.MCD3_ReadF11DataFromMSM, service=RC_GET_PARAMETER_N11 - RoutineControll GetParameter N11, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=MSM_ETHERNET>
MSM update finished. [C216]
VCM Update: Write FA to VCM. [C188]
VCM Update: Write FP to VCM. [C190]
VCM Update: Read current SVT. [C191]
VCM Update: Check current SVT with TAL. [C192]
VCM Update: Write target SVT. [C193]
VCM Update: Write FA to backup. [C189]
MCDDiagService<id=272649, job=com.bmw.psdz.jobs.uds.vcm.MCD3_WriteFAtoVCMBac kup, service=WDBI_FA1 - WriteDataByIdentifier FA Teil 1, description=error: negative response : requestOutOfRange, link=VCM_BACKUP_ETHERNET>
VCM Update: finished with error. [C196][Error in VCM Update:] There was an error, please check the log files.

[] - [Exception - VCM_BACKUP - 40] job failed with negative response error:
code: service returned global negative response
description: Service WDBI_FA1 returned a negative response with response code requestOutOfRange; LinkName: VCM_BACKUP_ETHERNET
severity: ERROR

Write FA to the Backup Partner failed. Possibly there is no connection to the Backup Partner. [C097]
job failed with negative response error:
code: service returned global negative response
description: Service WDBI_FA1 returned a negative response with response code requestOutOfRange; LinkName: VCM_BACKUP_ETHERNET
severity: ERROR
[433]
Abarbeitung beendet

I'm not sure why I'm getting this message follow everything to the T step by step If any one can help me out I will be very thankful. I heard that the pedal is mushy without coding but mine is rock solid when car is off but when I turn it on when depressed it slowly almost goes down to the floor when pumped couple times hard again that is when the car on, is that how mushy it is without coding? anyhow I would like to resolve this coding issue any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Does one need to code brakes though? I think if you're doing regular driving, wouldn't think so?

Absolutely

djrabbi · 09-21-2019, 01:50 PM

Would a local Indy know how to do it? They are doing my brakes anyways. Waiting on new set to get powder coated and such. I can't decide what color to do it though 😩

giustyle · 09-24-2019, 02:56 AM

installation completed

With Zimmerman rotors your don't need new bolt (front original bolts are ok) and it's not necessary to drill rear rotors (the hole in the correct position).

Installation plug&play

fr_tz · 09-24-2019, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Holy crap man. Do you have a machine shop? Tronik claims the calipers wont fit without milling which they do before painting. So if you have a machine shop to this part then I would just get that ship to mill adapters out of aluminum. And you can skip SS lines as they only really help in tracking when you're pushing your fluid to boiling temps. But over to you. I am curious if Tronik lied cuz these facts have held me back.

Plus curious how they sell the front adapters for $270 but the rears for much more?!

Maverick, are you suggesting the 4 Pot Brembos off a Panamera or Touraeg mount right up?

This rear upgrade is designed to work with 385x24mm rotors

Specifically...

Rotor - Rear Right - BMW (34-21-2-284-904)
Rotor - Rear Left - BMW (34-21-2-284-903)

These DO NOT mount just up. These absolutely require adapters and modification of the calipers themselves

fr_tz · 09-24-2019, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.47

I have the same setup as your at the moment (X5M caliper and rotors on the front and the 50i brake caliper and rotors) Been driving it for a several months now like this. It's not bad when braking normally, however I notice when braking moderately or hard you can feel the front brakes are doing most of the braking, ie nose dip, front tires begin to slightly screech (i have 20in staggered rims), ABS actuating when braking moderately. Comparatively to the 50i brake rotors the M rear rotors are quite a bit larger (X5m @ 385mm, 50i at 345mm in diameter). Keep looking around on the market for a set of the caliper and mounts. I have the x5m caliper and mounts but I've been having trouble deciding on which brand makes a good set of rear rotors.

Nailed it..this post and mine above.

My rotor set up is as follows:

Rotor - Front Right - BMW (34-11-2-284-102)
Rotor - Front Left - BMW (34-11-2-284-101)
Rotor - Rear Right - BMW (34-21-2-284-904)
Rotor - Rear Left - BMW (34-21-2-284-903)

djrabbi · 09-24-2019, 07:56 AM

Those look so good but I wish the rear kit was easier to get. I paid $500 for front calipers and tronik wanted about $1000 for rear setup without paint. Didn't seem advisable to me since x5m have small brakes in rear already. I might have to do this blue color too but maybe carbon gold

happydude · 09-24-2019, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giustyle

installation completed

With Zimmerman rotors your don't need new bolt (front original bolts are ok) and it's not necessary to drill rear rotors (the hole in the correct position).

Installation plug&play

Nice! what were the Zimmerman part numbers you purchased? I will have to consider those at my next brake service. Which will be awhile since I just installed the ones that come with the M performance brake kit that I purchased for $2460 after taxes

giustyle · 09-24-2019, 10:49 AM

The part numbers are:

Brake Disc ZIMMERMANN SPORT BRAKE:

Article №: 150.2948.52 FRONT RIGHT
Article №: 150.2947.52 FRONT LEFT
Article №: 150.2945.52 REAR

djrabbi · 09-24-2019, 02:31 PM

Those look so good but I wish the rear kit was easier to get. I paid $500 for front calipers and tronik wanted about $1000 for rear setup without paint. Didn't seem advisable to me since x5m have small brakes in rear already. I might have to do this blue color too but maybe carbon gold

Radekxpl · 10-08-2019, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.47

Hmm...It appears you may have some settings issue.

First off make sure your using the correct link ie on the open connection F25 without direct connect.

Second thing would be looking at options menu, I when searching on google and found a post from another forum who appears to have the same error/issue you have. You'll need to turn off VCM and MSM TAL updates (thanks to TokenMaster for point that out)

Open Esys and go to option (Red) and then settings (Green)

Then Find the options tab (green) and make sure
"Update VCM after TAL execution" and "Update MSM after TAL execution" are unchecked. Then hit ok.

Post Information Source
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/ar.../t-785766.html

Thank you so much for the tip, I went ahead made necessary adjustments, everything is working great so far, pedal response is immediate when braking. For time being I'm running this setup with stock rear which are rather small rotors at 330m I think, like you mentioned when braking hard I feel like the front is doing most of the work, will have to upgrade rear soon I already have the caliper brackets just need the rotors and pads.

Maverik259 · 10-08-2019, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giustyle

installation completed

With Zimmerman rotors your don't need new bolt (front original bolts are ok) and it's not necessary to drill rear rotors (the hole in the correct position).

Installation plug&play

Please lower your beast. That front wheel gap hurts my soul.

Maverik259 · 10-08-2019, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giustyle

The part numbers are:

Brake Disc ZIMMERMANN SPORT BRAKE:

Article №: 150.2948.52 FRONT RIGHT
Article №: 150.2947.52 FRONT LEFT
Article №: 150.2945.52 REAR

Doesn't seem to be sold in the US and the price I found on amazon UK seems insane. £567. Oem 2 piece are less.

djrabbi · 10-09-2019, 08:08 AM

Can we make this thread into a stickie please!

Also, I might go with classic red for calipers as I will be wrapping the car in nardo grey in spring time. Red will pop more than oem blue color

djrabbi · 10-25-2019, 11:02 AM

[IMG][/IMG]

For the haters saying I don't post 😂

djrabbi · 10-25-2019, 01:41 PM

Got everything done but pedal goes straight to the floor. I know I have to get it coded but it goes to the floor, stiff stiff, then back to floor. Thoughts? Or have to bleed them again ?

Update:
Pedal feels better at third bleed but still missing. I called a few dealers near me and they have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. Is there any coders can help me remotely??? Please! Will pay obviously

Rydogg21 · 10-25-2019, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrabbi

Got everything done but pedal goes straight to the floor. I know I have to get it coded but it goes to the floor, stiff stiff, then back to floor. Thoughts? Or have to bleed them again ?

Update:
Pedal feels better at third bleed but still missing. I called a few dealers near me and they have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. Is there any coders can help me remotely??? Please! Will pay obviously

djrabbi · 10-25-2019, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rydogg21

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrabbi

Got everything done but pedal goes straight to the floor. I know I have to get it coded but it goes to the floor, stiff stiff, then back to floor. Thoughts? Or have to bleed them again ?

Update:
Pedal feels better at third bleed but still missing. I called a few dealers near me and they have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. Is there any coders can help me remotely??? Please! Will pay obviously

What am I supposed to read for? I just asked if anyone can remotely code the MPBK. I messaged 2 ppl and they said they can't do it.

Get off my dick already with your "useless" posts

Rydogg21 · 10-25-2019, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrabbi

What am I supposed to read for? I just asked if anyone can remotely code the MPBK. I messaged 2 ppl and they said they can't do it.

Get off my dick already with your "useless" posts

The thread explains exactly, step by step with screen shots how to code this. If you don't have the software, search and read how to get access. It's truly not rocket science. Like a majority of your posts, you want everyone to solve your problems for you and don't take the time to understand what you are doing.

Oh wait, you posted above that you don't need to code the brakes after the install....hmmm, how did that work out for you?

"My pedal is broken, can't drive, need help, will pay someone else to fix my stupidity!" Love it!

djrabbi · 10-25-2019, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rydogg21

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrabbi

What am I supposed to read for? I just asked if anyone can remotely code the MPBK. I messaged 2 ppl and they said they can't do it.

Get off my dick already with your "useless" posts

The thread explains exactly, step by step with screen shots how to code this. If you don't have the software, search and read how to get access. It's truly not rocket science. Like a majority of your posts, you want everyone to solve your problems for you and don't take the time to understand what you are doing.

Oh wait, you posted above that you don't need to code the brakes after the install....hmmm, how did that work out for you?

"My pedal is broken, can't drive, need help, will pay someone else to fix my stupidity!" Love it!

Lol says much about you replying to my "stupidity". Come down to my level 😂😂

09-20-2019, 03:36 PM	#661
djrabbi Lieutenant Colonel 724 Rep 1,658 Posts Drives: G05 M50i Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Raleigh iTrader: (1)	So now, I am thinking of not doing rear caliper upgrade. Thought it would look great, Tro-nik wants almost $1000 for rear set up. I will just do the front caliper upgrade and keep stock rears and call it a day.!
	Appreciate 0 Quote

09-21-2019, 01:50 PM	#665
djrabbi Lieutenant Colonel 724 Rep 1,658 Posts Drives: G05 M50i Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Raleigh iTrader: (1)	Would a local Indy know how to do it? They are doing my brakes anyways. Waiting on new set to get powder coated and such. I can't decide what color to do it though 😩
	Appreciate 0 Quote

09-24-2019, 02:56 AM	#666
giustyle New Member 7 Rep 28 Posts Drives: Bmw F15 Msport 30D Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Roma iTrader: (0)	installation completed With Zimmerman rotors your don't need new bolt (front original bolts are ok) and it's not necessary to drill rear rotors (the hole in the correct position). Installation plug&play
	Appreciate 0 Quote

09-24-2019, 07:56 AM	#669
djrabbi Lieutenant Colonel 724 Rep 1,658 Posts Drives: G05 M50i Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Raleigh iTrader: (1)	Those look so good but I wish the rear kit was easier to get. I paid $500 for front calipers and tronik wanted about $1000 for rear setup without paint. Didn't seem advisable to me since x5m have small brakes in rear already. I might have to do this blue color too but maybe carbon gold
	Appreciate 0 Quote

09-24-2019, 10:49 AM	#671
giustyle New Member 7 Rep 28 Posts Drives: Bmw F15 Msport 30D Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Roma iTrader: (0)	The part numbers are: Brake Disc ZIMMERMANN SPORT BRAKE: Article №: 150.2948.52 FRONT RIGHT Article №: 150.2947.52 FRONT LEFT Article №: 150.2945.52 REAR
	Appreciate 0 Quote

		BMW X5 and X6 Forum (F15/F16) > BMW X5 (F15) and BMW X6 (F16) Forum > BMW X5 and X6 (F15/F16) Forum
Brembo on a budget! Let's make x5 great again :)

09-24-2019, 02:31 PM	#672
djrabbi Lieutenant Colonel 724 Rep 1,658 Posts Drives: G05 M50i Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Raleigh iTrader: (1)	Those look so good but I wish the rear kit was easier to get. I paid $500 for front calipers and tronik wanted about $1000 for rear setup without paint. Didn't seem advisable to me since x5m have small brakes in rear already. I might have to do this blue color too but maybe carbon gold
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-09-2019, 08:08 AM	#676
djrabbi Lieutenant Colonel 724 Rep 1,658 Posts Drives: G05 M50i Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Raleigh iTrader: (1)	Can we make this thread into a stickie please! Also, I might go with classic red for calipers as I will be wrapping the car in nardo grey in spring time. Red will pop more than oem blue color
	Appreciate 0 Quote

10-25-2019, 11:02 AM	#677
djrabbi Lieutenant Colonel 724 Rep 1,658 Posts Drives: G05 M50i Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Raleigh iTrader: (1)	[IMG][/IMG] For the haters saying I don't post 😂 Attached Images
	Appreciate 3 BimmerTy191.50 screaminfast143.50 MW50i54.50 Quote

10-25-2019, 01:41 PM	#678
djrabbi Lieutenant Colonel 724 Rep 1,658 Posts Drives: G05 M50i Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Raleigh iTrader: (1)	Got everything done but pedal goes straight to the floor. I know I have to get it coded but it goes to the floor, stiff stiff, then back to floor. Thoughts? Or have to bleed them again ? Update: Pedal feels better at third bleed but still missing. I called a few dealers near me and they have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. Is there any coders can help me remotely??? Please! Will pay obviously
	Appreciate 0 Quote

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search