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      06-21-2018, 10:55 AM   #1
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'18 50i or wait?

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In a conundrum and could use some advice. With the G05 right around the corner, and some good deals on F15s to be had I find myself a little lost with what to do.

I'm considering replacing a hard loaded Raptor I ordered last year with an X5 XDrive 50i I do like the truck's presence (monochromatic dark gray, no decals) and utility (it can literally do anything), as well as its general ride and drive comfort, AC seats, technology, etc. and the value retention is crazy high. I just don't use it very often (6k/yr), and certainly not for it's engineered purpose.

I know the G05 is around the corner and my dealer is advising me to wait for the new one, but I actually like the current body style quite a bit. I'd likely go with an in-stock one that is close to my desired spec, or I can act quickly and order one directly to spec.

I've owned a few BMWs through the years, though never an X5. I drove an X3M40i last week and really enjoyed the driving dynamics but it was a bit small and lacked the visual presence a 21" fat tired M-Sport 50i has.

While I'm pretty structured everywhere else in life, auto purchases are almost always passion plays for me. On paper, the right move would be to wait for the higher hp G05 to drop in a couple years or keep the utility of the Raptor and just snag an M40i as a daily. I just love the look of the 50i Sport and would actually use it more than the truck. I realize the seats aren't going to cool as well, the tech is similar and I give up some utility. What I don't have a feel for are the intangibles of the 5.0 as a moderate use daily driver - are current owners passionate about them, or are they excited to replace them with the new body style, huge grilles be damned? I don't want to look back in two months and realize an F15 was temporary flash of excitement and while saving 10k, it was a mistake as they potentially/quickly become less desirable in the market.

Thanks for any advice and suffering through this long post.
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I would NEVER get a brand new redesign car on its release. If your patient, wait for the G05. I personally like the G05 more than the F15/F16.
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      06-21-2018, 11:54 AM   #3
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I don't mind redesigns and first-year vehicles. Haven't had any real issues with most...I think most of those quality concerns were on vehicles a decade or two (or more) ago.

However, I cannot disagree with the hesitation from Rox.

Now, on to the main question. I'd definitely wait. Your stable of vehicles, or at least the ones on your list, seem like they give you a great range of driving fun.

Besides, your current and past BMWs should tell you the wait will be worth it!

Now, get over to RR and test drive the new 2018 RR SVR...that'll sway you from anything rash. (make sure they have one in-stock before you drive over there...or YouTube it)...
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      06-21-2018, 12:19 PM   #4
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Thanks for that advice, and seeing it print - you're probably right on the wait and see.

As an aside, my "past" list only contains past BMWs, but there are other marques in the gone but not forgotten group. We also had a '14 RR Sport Autobiography. It was a fantastic vehicle and we considered the SVR when it came out the next year. The '18 facelift/refresh is nice, but at this point I feel like I've been there and done that with RR. I'm drawn to the fat tired more athletic/performance presence of the X5.
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      06-21-2018, 02:52 PM   #5
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If it makes any difference, the 2018 F15 and 2019 G05 will be badged the same - xDrive50i. The G05 is only rated at 11 more HP - up to 456 from 445.

For 2020, the xDrive50i will be re-badged to an M50i with an entirely new engine rated at a reported 530 HP.

Given that, I'd skip the 2019 50i and get a good deal now on an F15 or wait for the 2020 M50i....which I'm sure will be 20K more than a 2018 F15 would cost right now.

Just my .02.
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It sounds like you're buying (not leasing), so that alone would say G05.

(If you were leasing, in 3 years the diminished value is BMW's problem.)

Unless, of course, you find a new 2018 for like $25k off sticker...then buy.

Sidenote: BMW's cooled seats are so uncool. It's really just a noisy fan...I've been in Lincolns and those work much better.
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If Lease then get G05. I dont think its years till 50i. Pretty sure I saw December or something like that. If buy get the F15 and let kinks get worked out of new model. Trust me I'm still finding them in my 2014 F15. For example. BMW and all their wisdom in performance engineering put PLASTIC crankcase oil lines in the N63TU to start. A mere 8 months later they replaced the part with something better and finally again in 2016 with a Robust rubber replacement. I know this cuz my broke in half and spewed oil all over my engine bay. Just an example of reasons to wait if you buy. I'm also having to replace a suspension part at 30k miles and eat the cost despite there being a SIB for it because extended warranty doesn't cover suspension parts even though it's a faulty product even though I'm only 3 months out of my factory warranty. Just my $.02.
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We also had a '14 RR Sport Autobiography. It was a fantastic vehicle and we considered the SVR when it came out the next year. The '18 facelift/refresh is nice, but at this point I feel like I've been there and done that with RR. I'm drawn to the fat tired more athletic/performance presence of the X5.
I'm the same way, only list the pertinent past/current vehicle lists. Funny you say it, we thought the same as we had a full size RR Supercharged immediately before our current Escalade ESV. And for a while we considered another RR, but the LWB. Miss that S/C whine for sure! But had the same reservations about been there/done that. Now wife is onto the SVR, thanks in part to effspot videos.

Regarding the SVR, man that thing is a beast! Totally understand the been there/done that after you've had a RRS though...there may be too many similarities for your liking. However, given your Bimmer list, and your other lists, not sure what feels fresh. I hate that. I'm actually going to a LX 570 (we must have a 7 passenger for the whole family) to enable the wife to get the SVR.

And I dig the fat tire attraction...fat meat hooks rule!
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Don't do it! I got rid of my second gen raptor with all the goodies for an x5 for cheaper payments. X5 steering, a/c are terrible. Wait until the new x5 releases. Much better interior and better styling imo aside from the front grille. But I'm sure that will grow on most people with time
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We also had a '14 RR Sport Autobiography. It was a fantastic vehicle and we considered the SVR when it came out the next year. The '18 facelift/refresh is nice, but at this point I feel like I've been there and done that with RR. I'm drawn to the fat tired more athletic/performance presence of the X5.
I'm the same way, only list the pertinent past/current vehicle lists. Funny you say it, we thought the same as we had a full size RR Supercharged immediately before our current Escalade ESV. And for a while we considered another RR, but the LWB. Miss that S/C whine for sure! But had the same reservations about been there/done that. Now wife is onto the SVR, thanks in part to effspot videos.

Regarding the SVR, man that thing is a beast! Totally understand the been there/done that after you've had a RRS though...there may be too many similarities for your liking. However, given your Bimmer list, and your other lists, not sure what feels fresh. I hate that. I'm actually going to a LX 570 (we must have a 7 passenger for the whole family) to enable the wife to get the SVR.

And I dig the fat tire attraction...fat meat hooks rule!
Wait a minute. So you drive the Japanese boat and your wife gets the SVR?! Doesn't seem right! Haha
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Thank you gtrsam, that is exactly the feedback I was looking for. I'll do an extended drive in the 50i tomorrow, but moving one around the lot this evening made me (insert shock and surprise here) think to myself just how well engineered the Raptor is. It's climate controls and low speed handling were frankly better and while they are absolutely apples and oranges, I was surprised just how good the truck is and I realized I've taken it for granted.

Fosterelli - thanks again for your feedback. We seem to have similar approaches to these things and I am doing some reading tonight about the SVR in more depth - I just wish it looked more serious than it does. That was one of the reasons I passed on it the first time. But BMW is my favorite brand and I feel I need to have another one in the pack.

Anyway, I appreciate everyone's time in reading this and replying. At this moment I'm leaning to waiting until the G05 X5 M50i arrives as jiggz mentioned (thanks for the info). I'll know tomorrow when I spend some time in the F15.

And yes - kudos for taking one for the family so the wife can sport the SVR. But I would be like the guy in those Infiniti commercials that was running back and forth to the store for each holiday meal item they needed individually while she was cooking... only in the SVR.
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Aside from the sound the raptor is a great truck with a lot of tech and luxuries . Very tame on the road and comfortable. I miss it and my 3 year old always sees one and says "rapper" lol
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Just out of curiosity but isn't the raptor serious overkill for a daily? Does it come with any amenities a loaded F150 doesn't? Referring to the creature comfort items you've mentioned. Obviously the engine and suspension etc is completely different. What exactly are you looking to get by moving from a off-road truck to a smooth hwy smasher? Just tired of having a truck altogether?
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I am in the same exact boat. Ill be leasing so im thinking of doing it this years.

Im being offered a 2018 50i MSRP $87,895 for $77k after all rebates (about a $7k discount + $3500 in rebates on the vehicle)
MF being .0017 (slightly above the .00166 base but only $5/month more)

For what I can find, it seems like a decent deal
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If it makes any difference, the 2018 F15 and 2019 G05 will be badged the same - xDrive50i. The G05 is only rated at 11 more HP - up to 456 from 445.

For 2020, the xDrive50i will be re-badged to an M50i with an entirely new engine rated at a reported 530 HP.

Given that, I'd skip the 2019 50i and get a good deal now on an F15 or wait for the 2020 M50i....which I'm sure will be 20K more than a 2018 F15 would cost right now.

Just my .02.
530hp! Where's the M Going to stand?
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Just out of curiosity but isn't the raptor serious overkill for a daily? Does it come with any amenities a loaded F150 doesn't? Referring to the creature comfort items you've mentioned. Obviously the engine and suspension etc is completely different. What exactly are you looking to get by moving from a off-road truck to a smooth hwy smasher? Just tired of having a truck altogether?
That's like saying an m3 is overkill from a 3 series for the street. Who cares if it's overkill if you can afford it. The raptor looks 10x better than a regular f150 just like an m3 from a 3 series
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I have abided by this rule: stay away from the first-year model. I would lease something now and let it carry over to the new body style. By then, you will know whether to get the new G body style or not.
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Just out of curiosity but isn't the raptor serious overkill for a daily? Does it come with any amenities a loaded F150 doesn't? Referring to the creature comfort items you've mentioned. Obviously the engine and suspension etc is completely different. What exactly are you looking to get by moving from a off-road truck to a smooth hwy smasher? Just tired of having a truck altogether?
That's like saying an m3 is overkill from a 3 series for the street. Who cares if it's overkill if you can afford it. The raptor looks 10x better than a regular f150 just like an m3 from a 3 series
It's not even close to the same thing lol. Sorry man. The raptor is light years beyond a standard F150. And something meant for the off-road is quite a bit different than a sports car. Meant for the paved road. Which is all the M4/M3 is. A sports car. Maybe if you said GTS.

And Yes of course it looks better. Much better. Maybe the guy lives on a farm or in the woods or desert or somewhere he gets to use the toy. Idk. Hence why I'm asking. It's a very different vehicle than an X5 especially since it has zero off-road capabilities.

But thanks for your wisdom friend.
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Just out of curiosity but isn't the raptor serious overkill for a daily? Does it come with any amenities a loaded F150 doesn't? Referring to the creature comfort items you've mentioned. Obviously the engine and suspension etc is completely different. What exactly are you looking to get by moving from a off-road truck to a smooth hwy smasher? Just tired of having a truck altogether?
That's like saying an m3 is overkill from a 3 series for the street. Who cares if it's overkill if you can afford it. The raptor looks 10x better than a regular f150 just like an m3 from a 3 series
It's not even close to the same thing lol. Sorry man. The raptor is light years beyond a standard F150. And something meant for the off-road is quite a bit different than a sports car. Meant for the paved road. Which is all the M4/M3 is. A sports car. Maybe if you said GTS.

And Yes of course it looks better. Much better. Maybe the guy lives on a farm or in the woods or desert or somewhere he gets to use the toy. Idk. Hence why I'm asking. It's a very different vehicle than an X5 especially since it has zero off-road capabilities.

But thanks for your wisdom friend.
So a raptor is not meant for paved roads? yea sure okay. It's more of a paved vehicle with off-road capabilities unlike what people think. The m3 is a car meant to go fast in corners, road courses etc and most don't use it to it's potential. That's all I meant. He lives on a farm and uses it? Cmon man he just said he didn't use it to it's potential hence the reason for a x5. Anyways back to the thread topic.

I would wait for the new one to come out
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