Defoulers for catless downpipes

[MBoss_F86]

Hello, I have to install catless downpipes on my F86 and can someone please give me a link for defoulers that will work with emissions? I live in NY and we have to pass emissions to get NYS inspection.

thank you!

[J0hnnyB0yx5m]

I have set for sale

[Chilled]

If the tester is not a complete gumby, he will be able to smell that you are catless.

Also you know that those thing are not a permanent fix. They still will trigger a CEL warning within like 30mil

[J0hnnyB0yx5m]

Originally Posted by Chilled

If the tester is not a complete gumby, he will be able to smell that you are catless.

Also you know that those thing are not a permanent fix. They still will trigger a CEL warning within like 30mil

Exactly y I don't use them

[S EyeLand]

I am the resident catless expert for NY. Get the BM3 or Velos tune. You can fail one readiness and still pass. The tune will suppress the CEL, you'll fail one readiness and still pass emissions.

[Chilled]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

I am the resident catless expert for NY. Get the BM3 or Velos tune. You can fail one readiness and still pass. The tune will suppress the CEL, you'll fail one readiness and still pass emissions.

Ok expert, I'll bite. How do you pass an emissions test without a cat? Do they like use telepathy or measure the gas output from a different postcode?

[MBoss_F86]

Originally Posted by Chilled

If the tester is not a complete gumby, he will be able to smell that you are catless.

Also you know that those thing are not a permanent fix. They still will trigger a CEL warning within like 30mil

I can turn off CEL using MHD tune, I just want defoulers so monitors will be ready to pass emissions

[Djhumvee]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Ok expert, I'll bite. How do you pass an emissions test without a cat? Do they like use telepathy or measure the gas output from a different postcode?

Hes talking about passing emissions via OBD hookup to the inspection machine, the machine will pass you. If your inspector knows that there is indeed no cat that would be a different story.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Ok expert, I'll bite. How do you pass an emissions test without a cat? Do they like use telepathy or measure the gas output from a different postcode?

You played yourself.

On-Board Diagnostic Tests: Licensed New York emissions testing facilities will administer an ODBII test on most motor vehicles made in the 1996 model year or later. The OBDII system installed in U.S. manufactured vehicles made in the 1996 and newer model years is a mechanical issue early-warning system. The system records the vehicle’s performance by administering a specific kind of test referred to as a “Monitor”. Certain monitors test a vehicle’s primary emissions components and subsystems. While the key is in the ignition and the engine is off, a test technician will make sure the vehicle’s DLC (Data Link Connector) works properly. Then, the test technician hooks an emissions diagnostic tool up to your vehicle’s DLC using a cable to allow the technician’s diagnostic tool to communicate with the vehicle’s OBD II system. New York test personnel can check your vehicle’s engine and emissions systems, and see if any monitors state a “Not Ready” status. The test personnel can complete the test in around 2 minutes.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by Djhumvee

Hes talking about passing emissions via OBD hookup to the inspection machine, the machine will pass you. If your inspector knows that there is indeed no cat that would be a different story.

He jumped the gun and got nasty. Not sure why, prob a little guy.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by Djhumvee

Hes talking about passing emissions via OBD hookup to the inspection machine, the machine will pass you. If your inspector knows that there is indeed no cat that would be a different story.

The inspector won't care. I had a complete ahole do my last inspection. Took the tire gauge out to measure my tread on new tires lol. He was ball breaking like a clown the whole time and still passed me. Most other places have the kid in the shop hook up the OBD and do the tests, they are almost always on auto pilot.

[Chilled]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

You played yourself.

On-Board Diagnostic Tests: Licensed New York emissions testing facilities will administer an ODBII test on most motor vehicles made in the 1996 model year or later. The OBDII system installed in U.S. manufactured vehicles made in the 1996 and newer model years is a mechanical issue early-warning system. The system records the vehicle’s performance by administering a specific kind of test referred to as a “Monitor”. Certain monitors test a vehicle’s primary emissions components and subsystems. While the key is in the ignition and the engine is off, a test technician will make sure the vehicle’s DLC (Data Link Connector) works properly. Then, the test technician hooks an emissions diagnostic tool up to your vehicle’s DLC using a cable to allow the technician’s diagnostic tool to communicate with the vehicle’s OBD II system. New York test personnel can check your vehicle’s engine and emissions systems, and see if any monitors state a “Not Ready” status. The test personnel can complete the test in around 2 minutes.

Oh no the shame, the embarrassment, how will I go on.

Sorry I'm not an expert on American/NY. I am used to Regulations been useful/functional and not a circle jerk waist of time. ie. Emissions tests, that actually test said emissions.

Question is the examiner in a cost optimized offshore region? Seems like a waist having them local if all they do is plug in an OBD cable and hit scan.

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

He jumped the gun and got nasty. Not sure why, prob a little guy.

Nope, just took you up on your offer of the self imposed "expert" title.


Calling yourself an expert is painting a bullseye on your back and inviting everyone to take a shot.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Oh no the shame, the embarrassment, how will I go on.

Sorry I'm not an expert on American/NY. I am used to Regulations been useful/functional and not a circle jerk waist of time. ie. Emissions tests, that actually test said emissions.

Question is the examiner in a cost optimized offshore region? Seems like a waist having them local if all they do is plug in an OBD cable and hit scan.



Nope, just took you up on your offer of the self imposed "expert" title.


Calling yourself an expert is painting a bullseye on your back and inviting everyone to take a shot.

It's not self-proclaimed. I've helped countless members pass, volunteering my time and experience. I'm just helpful and not a nasty person. I even took the time to advise YOU on the installation, check your post history. Messed up bro.

[Chilled]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

It's not self-proclaimed. I've helped countless members pass, volunteering my time and experience. I'm just helpful and not a nasty person. I even took the time to advise YOU on the installation, check your post history. Messed up bro.

Yeah, ok my bad. I'll take the knee on this one. In all fairness, with you. It's getting hard to keep track.

I work in IT and usually the minute someone introduces themselves as an expert. That is an instant massive gumby flag, yet to meet 1 person who isn't.


So the no testing for actual gas levels, is that a US thing or just NYC?


But to OP's point, if all he needs to do is pass via OBD. Wouldn't all he would need to do is, reset the CEL/o2 error in the carpark. Before he hands the car over for inspection? Shouldn't the stock o2 last the inspection period without tripping the error?

[Djhumvee]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Yeah, ok my bad. I'll take the knee on this one. In all fairness, with you. It's getting hard to keep track.

I work in IT and usually the minute someone introduces themselves as an expert. That is an instant massive gumby flag, yet to meet 1 person who isn't.


So the no testing for actual gas levels, is that a US thing or just NYC?


But to OP's point, if all he needs to do is pass via OBD. Wouldn't all he would need to do is, reset the CEL/o2 error in the carpark. Before he hands the car over for inspection? Shouldn't the stock o2 last the inspection period without tripping the error?

No because all your monitors will be down you're only allowed 1 monitor to be off/not ready. So I guess with a tune that turns off the secondary O2's you would be good to go as long as all your other monitors are up and running. Some states like California I believe physically test the smog but NY just hooks up the OBD2

[jcm3]

Originally Posted by Chilled

But to OP's point, if all he needs to do is pass via OBD. Wouldn't all he would need to do is, reset the CEL/o2 error in the carpark. Before he hands the car over for inspection? Shouldn't the stock o2 last the inspection period without tripping the error?

No becuase if you reset the ecu it can take a few long driving cycles (and many miles) to set the readiness on the other systems that get checked (e.g. O2 function, Secondary A.I.R., EGR functions, & EVAP system).

[MasterP]

O2 spacer with Mini catalyst.

[Djhumvee]

Originally Posted by MasterP

O2 spacer with Mini catalyst.

I think that mini catalyst is a scam lol, exhaust has to flow through a catalyst to heat it up and burn, so that mini cat on the 02 spacer I can't see ever really doing anything.

[MasterP]

Originally Posted by Djhumvee

I think that mini catalyst is a scam lol, exhaust has to flow through a catalyst to heat it up and burn, so that mini cat on the 02 spacer I can't see ever really doing anything.

That makes sense and You may be right. Still solved my problem though!

[Chilled]

Originally Posted by jcm3

No becuase if you reset the ecu it can take a few long driving cycles (and many miles) to set the readiness on the other systems that get checked (e.g. O2 function, Secondary A.I.R., EGR functions, & EVAP system).

Did not know that. Thought an error clear in, would just clear the error.

Is this the same for ISTA and a scan tool or it does not matter?

[jcm3]

When it comes to the US emissions readiness check i do not know of any way to clear them and have them automatically set for ready. Some of the parameters set quickly and some take longer (i.e. evap montor)

[MBoss_F86]

My mechanic said he will pass inspection as long as there is no CEL. And I can turn it off using MHD tune. He also said defoulers are hit and miss with emissions. I am all set. Thanks a lot guys