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      02-06-2019, 10:24 PM   #23
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51k miles on my 2015 without any issues. It's been flawless. Only normal maintenance.

Another poster is right, executive package has the Harmon kardon system bundled in. I had HK on my 35i, which I ordered, but my 50i doesn't have it. I will say the HK does sound better, but the base stereo with the right sound source doesn't sound bad. Still has lots of bass, etc. What's missing, imho, are more detailed highs, overall spaciousness and ambiance. I thought about upgrading the speakers and amp, but I'm not sure how much longer I will have the car.
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Hello,

First post in this forum.

I'm glad i found this post from searching.

As replacement to wife's 2002 Honda Odyssey, i'm considering 2015 BMW X5 XDrive50i, (production date shows as 2015-07-21) and looking up the engine type, i believe it's the N63TU variant from 3rd generation X5 (2014 to 2018).

Is that correct?

Any feedback about this particular used car sale would be appreciated.

https://www.carmax.com/car/16911029
https://www.mdecoder.com/decode/0j79495

It doesn't have many factory installed options though.

Sorry to hijack, but thought i would ask for quick feedback, rather than starting a whole new thread about my ask.

Thumb up, or down?


Thanks much.
Look it over thoroughly. CarMax doesn't have the best quality vehicles. Looked at a 50i online and when I had it transferred to my dealer and got called it had arrived it was a mess. Not even cleaned. Rock chips everywhere, marks in the leather, several other small but important issues to me and they could care less. They don't haggle price of cars or warranty and don't care. They don't set their pricing locally so they can't do anything about it until the vehicle goes un sold. And then they just transfer it to another dealer usually.

Point is just see it in person and inspect the crap out of it.
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I helped a buddy buy an out-of-state vehicle from carmax. We transferred it and as part of the transfer we could ask 5 “walk around” questions and the responses were recorded as part of the transfer paperwork. If the vehicle condition differed from what was communicated during the “walk around”, you can walk away from the car & have the shipping costs refunded. Fortunately, the X5 we transferred was in stellar condition & matched the walk around responses. We bought the car, no haggling, no nonsense and a very smooth experience.

Their extended warranties are probably the best in the business, and that’s a primary reason I’d consider buying luxury cars from them. Their 30-day warranty that comes with all cars paid about $2k to the bmw dealer to fix the passenger side mirror because the curb view wasn’t working. No questions asked. I was pretty impressed.
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My 2014 50i just passed 88k miles. I've had to replace the spark plugs once at somewhere around 65k or 70k miles. I've also had to add the odd quart or two of oil between changes. Averaging 17.9 mpg, which I think is acceptable given the performance and size of this vehicle.

Overall, I really like the X5, but I LOVE the N63tu.

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      02-09-2019, 06:58 AM   #27
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Mine just turn over 70k with no issues. I love the drive everyday. Probably need to replace the control arms soon and do the transmission service. But other than maintenance it's been awesome to own.
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My 2014 50i just passed 88k miles. I've had to replace the spark plugs once at somewhere around 65k or 70k miles. I've also had to add the odd quart or two of oil between changes. Averaging 17.9 mpg, which I think is acceptable given the performance and size of this vehicle.

Also been loving the Conti DSW06 tires this winter. They are pretty good, for an all-season, in snow/ice. I think their pavement performance in warm weather is pretty awful compared to the original Dunlaps however.

Overall, I really like the X5, but I LOVE the N63tu.
Good to hear.

But let's stay on topic from here on out, shall we!
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What did you hear about the transfer case? I just got a 2014 bmw x5 drive 50i and dealer is telling me that i need new transfer case . Car has been maintained by previous owner, always at bmw.
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What did you hear about the transfer case? I just got a 2014 bmw x5 drive 50i and dealer is telling me that i need new transfer case . Car has been maintained by previous owner, always at bmw.
Did they quote you a price or do you still have some sort of warranty?
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      02-11-2019, 09:40 PM   #31
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What did you hear about the transfer case? I just got a 2014 bmw x5 drive 50i and dealer is telling me that i need new transfer case . Car has been maintained by previous owner, always at bmw.
What mileage? Not a widespread issue, but I can kill TC (transfer case) in 15 min doing Jimhana style burnouts in 5300lbs SAV. Really depends on previous owner. Lease owners are worst lol - they don't care and abuse it. Basically, if it's CPO and you just got it - that's a dealers mistake, should have caught a bad TC (transfer case), especially considering they should do a 100+ point inspection before selling a CPO. Should, but often they just skip it. Not the first dealer, not the last. They should replace for free IMHO. If it's a private sale - then previous owner killed it. Sorry for this kind of bad news. Also, easy to kill TC using wrong size tires - TC will be toast in 5 min.

TC in x5 is not 50i specific AFAIK (could be wrong). It's a ATC45L unit (with minimal changes) that was used on previous generation of x5 too on both 35i and 50i. AFAIK BMW puts it in other models too, not only x5. It needs timely oil changes, probably every 50k miles or even earlier if you drive hard. Clutch in it can overheat due to lack of oil - basically if you neglect it and abuse the car (which who knows what previous owner did, I can bet TC oil was never changed due to low mileage) and often drive in stop and go traffic - it will heat up and eventually might fail. This was known since E70 x5 if you read E70 forum.
However, this is NOT a common issue. Just realize that it's not hard to kill TC in x5 if you drive like you stole it - you can imagine what stress TC experiences. We don't know what previous owner did: burnouts in 50i, numerous 0-60 drag starts - and then he returned it to a dealer (or sold it to you if it was private sale) and the car was sold CPO as in "pristine condition, cared and washed everyday lol" This is why I hate buying second hand. Also, keep in mind that "serviced in dealership" means bad news when it comes to buying 3-4 years CPO cars, lease return etc - as BMW (dealers) have abysmal/long oil change intervals. Their "lifetime" fluids are also infamous. So IMHO after you get it fixed - just change fluids in your x5 in timely manner and NOT as per BMW lol.

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      02-12-2019, 08:41 AM   #32
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Thanks for the feedback's, appreciate it.

Yes, i will most certainly have the car PPI'ed at the local Raleigh bmw shop, bpc (bimmer performance center). Since the factory warranty will run out soon, and since carmax doesn't do bmw CPO warranty, i will most likely purchase carmax provided "max care" extended warranty plan with some form of deductible.

As for the options installed, right, just moderate. As for the sound system, probably the first think i will do is replace thee hi-fi (non-HK) system with the bavsound speakers, under the seat subs and amp. Glad to see these upgrades are available from bavsound.

I think what brought me to this car is the 50i with m-sport. Anything else, i think i can retrofit myself down the road, eg. digital cluster, android upgrade, etc.

Thanks much.
I just bought a 2016 BMW X5 50i (da, that's why I'm reading these threads :-) & I obsessed over options. In the end I knew I had to have 2 options: M-sport & Driver's Assistance. I can't tell you enough how amazing lane departure is for a guy who checks his phone from time to time. And the m-sport is a must. My point, though, is really check out how comfortable those ventilated seats are. My 1st test drive months ago had them, and I didn't know at the time that was even an option, but the seats were so hard on my butt. There are several posts on how there's less padding b/c air needs to move through it. But as a guy w/ a bad back, the non-ventilated to me are so much more comfortable. So, in terms of options, that was a deal-breaker. I had to ask for the "build sheet" for each car b/c that option isn't always posted on a website. For what it's worth, I put together a cool spreadsheet that you could use when comparing cars. It has columns for the most popular packages & options, and prices for them. That way you can get a good idea of value. I took a screenshot since I can't attach an .XLSX file, but PM me if you want a copy.
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... I can't tell you enough how amazing lane departure is for a guy who checks his phone from time to time...
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Owned a 48i, 50i E70 X5 M-Sport then a F15 50i M-Sport and F85 X5M. I never had any issues or complaints. The only repair needed was a fault for gas cap along with a EVAP canister. Other than that it has been routine maintenance and services.
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I just bought a 2016 BMW X5 50i (da, that's why I'm reading these threads :-) & I obsessed over options. In the end I knew I had to have 2 options: M-sport & Driver's Assistance. I can't tell you enough how amazing lane departure is for a guy who checks his phone from time to time. And the m-sport is a must. My point, though, is really check out how comfortable those ventilated seats are. My 1st test drive months ago had them, and I didn't know at the time that was even an option, but the seats were so hard on my butt. There are several posts on how there's less padding b/c air needs to move through it. But as a guy w/ a bad back, the non-ventilated to me are so much more comfortable. So, in terms of options, that was a deal-breaker. I had to ask for the "build sheet" for each car b/c that option isn't always posted on a website. For what it's worth, I put together a cool spreadsheet that you could use when comparing cars. It has columns for the most popular packages & options, and prices for them. That way you can get a good idea of value. I took a screenshot since I can't attach an .XLSX file, but PM me if you want a copy.
Spreadsheet looks pretty detailed. If you want to share the spreadsheet, you can upload to google drive and provide a link.

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BTW, if I was to buy an f15 all over again, the only option that I would actually want is DHP. Its such a night and day difference.

I have a G05 xdrive40i now as a loaner and it feels like a boat. I've had this loaner since 1/31 and put about 500 miles in driving situations and cant wait until I get mine back. (I've had this loaner so long that me and my daughter have named her. I wanted name it Peppy but my daughter wasn't a fan of the name.

We've compromised to "Peppy Pig" after her favorite cartoon and how it handles.)

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It's now over 97000 miles & 4 years of flawless 50i performance on my 2014 F15. My 2004 4.4 did almost 200,000 miles with exactly one expensive fix, an oil pump. So many negative comments about this beast of an engine in the various threads, mostly from non 50i owners. I check these threads regularly, always great info from others that make ownership of an F15 a special experience. Have not once read where a 50i owner has regretted the choice or any horror stories that would be cause for concern. Anyone know where this bad reputation of engine issues, an engine to be avoided, started? Seems like for some, having to add a quart or 2 of oil between oil changes is the beginning of the end.
Honestly, it's not just the comments by the guys that never owned a 50i. I've had several. Two from the N63* lineup. And imagine that - two changed under warranty.

First one was an N63 unit in my F10 550i. It got replaced by an N63TU unit. It's still working tbh.

I've had a good friend of mine who had the same happen to his F10 M5.

Then I got myself an F15 50i (which had the supposedly fixed N63TU). 19k km on the odo, and I lost a cylinder while on a family trip in another country. And when I went to BMW (yes, I went to BMW directly, not to my local dealer!) and asked I want my car changed, I got an "unofficial recommendation" I should not get it replaced with a V8 car, if I wanted to avoid the same problem in the future. They practically told me "stay away from the V8". And from the 50d, for that matter. Imagine that?

So for me, the N63* is while probably the best one in terms of joy, is the worst engine BMW has ever made. And this is coming from a guy that has owned a dozen of BMWs with all sorts of engines.
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I feel members here will take care of their cars which results in good reliability. I mean there are outliers which is always unfortunate.
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Honestly, it's not just the comments by the guys that never owned a 50i. I've had several. Two from the N63* lineup. And imagine that - two changed under warranty.

First one was an N63 unit in my F10 550i. It got replaced by an N63TU unit. It's still working tbh.

I've had a good friend of mine who had the same happen to his F10 M5.

Then I got myself an F15 50i (which had the supposedly fixed N63TU). 19k km on the odo, and I lost a cylinder while on a family trip in another country. And when I went to BMW (yes, I went to BMW directly, not to my local dealer!) and asked I want my car changed, I got an "unofficial recommendation" I should not get it replaced with a V8 car, if I wanted to avoid the same problem in the future. They practically told me "stay away from the V8". And from the 50d, for that matter. Imagine that?

So for me, the N63* is while probably the best one in terms of joy, is the worst engine BMW has ever made. And this is coming from a guy that has owned a dozen of BMWs with all sorts of engines.
That’s sad. 50d is same 35d engine with extra turbine (3rd one). It’s not a different 50i or different displacement engine or V8. It’s same inline 6. I mean if anything bmw Diesel engines are very reliable. Heck even Toyota was buying them for their cars (smaller displacement ones for Europe).
I mean this is why I am trying to raise public awareness, because otherwise people and even dealers in your case (not you personally of course) have no clue

I’m on the verge of giving up. I’m on Facebook group too and people will say so much lies about n63tu without even knowing what it is. I can bet in 5 years we’ll have n63tu8 and people will still repeat old mantra about n63.
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That’s sad. 50d is same 35d engine with extra turbine (3rd one). It’s not a different 50i or different displacement engine or V8. It’s same inline 6. I mean if anything bmw Diesel engines are very reliable. Heck even Toyota was buying them for their cars (smaller displacement ones for Europe).
I mean this is why I am trying to raise public awareness, because otherwise people and even dealers in your case (not you personally of course) have no clue

I’m on the verge of giving up. I’m on Facebook group too and people will say so much lies about n63tu without even knowing what it is. I can bet in 5 years we’ll have n63tu8 and people will still repeat old mantra about n63.
hahaha probably true
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I’m on the verge of giving up. I’m on Facebook group too and people will say so much lies about n63tu without even knowing what it is. I can bet in 5 years we’ll have n63tu8 and people will still repeat old mantra about n63.


It’s ridiculous how some folks are online. They’re what are called armchair experts. They only know based on what they read online and spec sheets. Many will never see the engine or drive a car with one in real life.
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The same occurs with folks who never owned, leased or financed a Land Rover or Range Rover but bash it to death. It appears that bad news travels louder and further than good news or non-events and every one is an expert online or "knows someone" who owned a <insert horrific story>.
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So I run a little dealership here in Utah and I only sell bimmers. I am coming back years later to edit this post now that these cars are getting a little older:

Over time, you may have issues with CCV, turbo inlet hoses, turbo cooling lines, fuel pumps, and a few other odds and ends. Valve stem seals are a real possibility at higher mileage. Make sure you have consistent oil change history on a used car to reduce the risk of stem seal failure, and bearing failure. The part number for valve stems seems to be unchanged vs the previous gen N63s.

Overall, we still love the engines.

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Previous generation n63 engine really got infamous and is still ruining solid reputation of n63tu However, those who need to know - they know the huge difference n63tu made. N63TU is very reliable and solid performer! BMW did a fantastic job updating it - without exaggeration n63tu update was most extensive one among v8 engines ever produced by BMW!
People are conservative and like stereotypes, but the word is already out on the street that n63tu is a solid choice and folks are learning slowly. Give it some time.
Very encouraging post. I'm considering a CPO 2019 X5 50i which will have the N63TU3. Are there any notable changes to the motor in this iteration? Thanks
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Very encouraging post. I'm considering a CPO 2019 X5 50i which will have the N63TU3. Are there any notable changes to the motor in this iteration? Thanks
See this article for details: https://bmwtuning.co/bmw-n63-vs-n63t...tu2-vs-n63tu3/
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