X6M vs SVR

[Talaldinho]

hey guys

I currently own an 2017 Range Rover Sport SVR.
I never had any issuew with it and warranty is not expiring anytime soon. I love the acceleration and the exhaust sound.

Since I owned most BMW M cars except for the X6 M, my heart keep itching to buy one.

I located (5hrs away) a nice 17 X6 M, however, I will be losing a lot $10 to $15k on the SVR.

I would like to hear your feedback if this transition is worth it ?

X6M vs SVR :

handling ? cornering ?
exhuast sound ? SVR for sure
info system ? BMW
comfort ?
Gas milage ?
reliability?

I never drove an X6M but drove an X5 M are they same ?

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[F85MTuNED]

X6M vs SVR :

handling ? X6M

cornering ? X6M

exhuast sound ? SVR for sure

info system ? BMW

comfort ? Both ride amazing in comfort mode IMO but I'll give the LR the edge.

Gas milage ? Don't care they both burn gas.

reliability? BMW all the way..

[Herofmine]

It's a shame to compare Range Rovers to BMW,
Test drive X5/6M and you will understand what I mean.
If you will drive your SVR the way people drive their BMW's it will fall apart within a month.

[StatenEye]

"I currently own an 2017 Range Rover Sport SVR.
I never had any issuew with it and warranty is not expiring anytime soon. I love the acceleration and the exhaust sound."

Go with your first love.

[Skyracer]

Originally Posted by F85MTuNED

X6M vs SVR :

handling ? X6M

cornering ? X6M

exhuast sound ? SVR for sure

info system ? BMW

comfort ? Both ride amazing in comfort mode IMO but I'll give the LR the edge.

Gas milage ? Don't care they both burn gas.

reliability? BMW all the way..

^^ Can't disagree with any of that. I'd suspect the LR has the edge in off road ability, too, but that will be irrelevant for >99% of owners of both.

A couple of important, other points to consider:

- manner in which power/torque is delivered: advantage LR, at least for my tastes (better throttle response and more linear delivery thanks to supercharger)

- everyday enjoyability of performance: advantage LR, precisely because it has lower limits than the BMW, meaning you can get closer to them, or at least feel like you are doing so.

[Skyracer]

Originally Posted by Herofmine

It's a shame to compare Range Rovers to BMW,
Test drive X5/6M and you will understand what I mean.
If you will drive your SVR the way people drive their BMW's it will fall apart within a month.

No doubt LR has a reputation for poor reliability, but I have never heard that this is specifically linked to a particular condition or style of driving. Your post basically claims that hard driving will worsen the poor reliability. Do you have proof of such a claim? Or, more specifically, can you prove that hard driving wears out a LR but not a BMW?

[M_Bimmer]

Originally Posted by Herofmine

It's a shame to compare Range Rovers to BMW,
Test drive X5/6M and you will understand what I mean.
If you will drive your SVR the way people drive their BMW's it will fall apart within a month.

If you compare off road and/or hauling, does that change your answer?

I'll be the first to admit, my F85 will not, and can NOT, go off road. It is nothing more than an SAV version of the //M5...(Off-roading != Snow tires, nor chains...the M5 sedan can too)

The beauty of Land Rover is their cars were initially built for a purpose of a work horse around an English "estate" (or ranch/farm). The F85 is nothing more than a pumped up muscle car...

If Range Rover provided the same level of technical "help" as BMW on the internet, the SVR would definitely be in my stable....and the F85 would be put to pasture....so to speak...

I'd take my 911 over my F85 any day of the week, and I'd take the SVR over the F85 any day of the week, but I like to work on my cars (no dealer for me)...so the F85 it is...

[EDIT] Off topic, the F10 M5 full leather included leather lined door card pockets (yes inside the pocket)...not on the F85...compare fit and finish between the two and the SVR will come out ahead...still not convinced? Go look at all the hard plastic still used in the F85 while the SVR is more equivalent to BMW's B7.

[TheVazha]

Love my F85, and I agree, it's basically a lifted M5.

That said, the 2018 SVR with the updated interior is AMAZING. I'm casually shopping one now.

I've realized over the last several years that the insignificant performance edge of the M is not as exciting anymore as say a very plush interior or exhaust note. Driving isn't just about how good your car can handle, or straight line acceleration. It's all those things.

For sure the M checks most those boxes but I'm certainly open to trading a tiny bit of the performance for some comfort and sound. Especially since I'm not a race car driver, just a normal dude who lives in suburbia patrolled by CHP and Sheriff's.

The way I see it, if you've owned your M for a little while and have not taken it to even 80%-90% of its actual capabilities, you'll be just fine in a range or merc.

[Skyracer]

^^ This encapsulates the last 15 years of performance cars. The race for hp, coupled with advances in tire technology, and legislative requirements for safety, emissions and fuel economy, have created vehicles which are no longer accessible on the public road. Now it is more about d@ck waving than driving fun.

This is why I'm a fan of underdog or 'flawed' brands. Whether by intelligent design, relative lack of development $, or next to best engineering, their products are often more enjoyable on a day to day basis. Don't get me wrong, I'm not into S&M and I dislike an unreliable product as much as the next guy (though FWIW my reliability experience with JLR products has been on par with German products). I'm talking less about ownership issues and more about the driving experience.

[TheVazha]

^^ totally agree. Whenever I had an AMG the M guys would say "yeah but meet me in the canyons and I'll destroy you".

Ok sure Andretti, let me just take out the baby seats and I'll be sure to meet you for a reckless race on shit public roads so you can show me how your ride handles better. Lol

[TheVazha]

I don't care for the color combo but to lose .6 seconds to 60 and gain this interior and that brilliant exhaust note is worth it IMHO.

[yewlock]

I always like the SVR but the consumer report keep scaring me with their reliability. Besides that it is now own by TATA (world cheapest car maker)

[Herofmine]

Originally Posted by M_Bimmer

If you compare off road and/or hauling, does that change your answer?

I'll be the first to admit, my F85 will not, and can NOT, go off road. It is nothing more than an SAV version of the //M5...(Off-roading != Snow tires, nor chains...the M5 sedan can too)

The beauty of Land Rover is their cars were initially built for a purpose of a work horse around an English "estate" (or ranch/farm). The F85 is nothing more than a pumped up muscle car...

If Range Rover provided the same level of technical "help" as BMW on the internet, the SVR would definitely be in my stable....and the F85 would be put to pasture....so to speak...

I'd take my 911 over my F85 any day of the week, and I'd take the SVR over the F85 any day of the week, but I like to work on my cars (no dealer for me)...so the F85 it is...

[EDIT] Off topic, the F10 M5 full leather included leather lined door card pockets (yes inside the pocket)...not on the F85...compare fit and finish between the two and the SVR will come out ahead...still not convinced? Go look at all the hard plastic still used in the F85 while the SVR is more equivalent to BMW's B7.

BMW never made off road car, X line up they are just sport activity/utility cars made for roads, if you want off road get Jeep or one of those Toyota's off road models.

What's the point of getting luxury off road car? I am sure none of the SVR owner got their car for off road so same as for X5M buyers/owners.

I like looks of SVR but I would never buy any car from "Jaguar Land Rover Automotive PLC" group due to customer support and their reliability issues.

[NoSugar]

SVR sounds impossibly incredible.

X6M takes everything else.

(I am assume you are cross shopping these two cars specifically because you intend to drive something sporty, and not "comfortable" like a Lexus)

[F85MTuNED]

Originally Posted by yewlock

I always like the SVR but the consumer report keep scaring me with their reliability. Besides that it is now own by TATA (world cheapest car maker)

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[Herofmine]

Originally Posted by yewlock

I always like the SVR but the consumer report keep scaring me with their reliability. Besides that it is now own by TATA (world cheapest car maker)

End of Story

[Skyracer]

End of your story, maybe.

Everyone has a different story. Mine includes 3 Jaguars in the last 11 years, with reliability on par with any German car I have ever owned. I might add they have all been more characterful and fun to drive than most German cars I have ever owned (exceptions: VR6 Corrado and C5 RS6).

My numbers are statistically insignificant, yes. But good enough for me to consider the brand again? - yes.

[M_Bimmer]

Just because it's owned by an Indian company? Reminds me of the '80...I ain't never going to buy a Japanese car....

Isn't long term reliability really come from reliable maintainability and repair?

Don't want to get into failure rate distributions, rather, if a machine can be reliably repaired, then it will last...this requires a solid supply chain, solid technical information, and competent repair base. BMW has the first two covered, but fails miserably on the last.

My local dealership has shown that tire inflation and DCT repair equally kick their asses (don't get me started on car washes). Before you flame me about proper tire inflation, since my E30 days, I've never received a BMW back with consistent tire inflation, but Porsche has been able to do this consistently over time, and among dealerships. (e.g. 34.5 psi != 34.0 psi, and it only takes a minute more to get left tire pressure equal to the right tire - exactly)

While BMW's supply chain remains solid (better than most) and provides technical data access, then BMW will remain in my garage. Take one or both away, no more BMW's for me.

So despite my preference of the SVR over an X5M or X6M, I would select BMW.

[MiamiFan13]

Unless you want to go beyond stock performance, I'd keep that SVR...and I say that as I'm looking to buy an X5M...its just that the SVR is so much damn money for me right now. Land Rovers, over the last 10 yrs have had horrid multimedia problems...not mechanical...which is why reliability score is so low. I love a supercharger on the street too....so SVR.

[TheVazha]

It's SVR or the new GLE63. My M has the performance I want, and it really is a pleasure to drive, but two back to back X5M's and it's time for a change.

Can the SVR be tuned? The GLE63 I think can, but not sure about SC motor..

[mtr3s]

I had a C63S Edition 1. Very fast car, also very sterile and boring. My wife has a GLC, good daily, but 0 soul.