F1 2024: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 3)

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That was Stroll's formation lap in his gravel machine...

yeah why STR didn't use the paved runoff drive around area there is beyond me.....

reminded me of this:

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Davil

What a weekend. What a race.

The gods were against Max until the race proper. Then he really got some great luck. Things would maybe have been different without that red flag and likely made the race even more intriguing as tough as that may seem. We will never know how that would have panned out.

However. Luck is only a part of it. He was remarkable. Absolutely remarkable. Well done and a well deserved win.

On the other hand :
As we know , MAX got bad luck in the QF with Stroll's stupid crash and was P12 + with his 5P grid penalty he was P17 at the start grid .
Without his bad luck , MAX would be in the top 5 at the start grid .

According to Lando Norris : MAX would have lapped all of us (!)
Source is the Dutch article => https://racingnews365.nl/norris-prij...e-hebben-gezet

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

yeah why STR didn't use the paved runoff drive around area there is beyond me.....

reminded me of this:

LMFAO ..

That was a good one

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by fs1977

How do we feel about the very, very mild penalties? Swearing results in a bigger penalty than not following the proper procedure and possibly creating a risk for marshalls. I just can't see the logic in that.

#ShameForMotorsports !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

PIA is not there at McLaren to play 2nd fiddle. He got his contract there because he was the most talented guy of his generation. That's why he got hired, not to assist Lando in his WDC attempt. McLaren was an underdog car back then.
We're used to see Bottas, Checo and further back Barichello give way to their #1 teammate, but when those guys got hired, there was no question about their role in the team. It was to be an assisted co driver to HAM/SCH/VER, that was all clear from the beginning.

And PIA sits in his own battle for 4th place, arguably 3rd, which is a big deal for someone in his 2nd year F1. The gap between PIA and LEC, or PIA and SAI was much smaller than the gap between NOR and Max. So for PIA it could go either way: finish 3rd, 4th or 5th in the WDC. If LEC gets a DNF like SAI got today, 3rd becomes a very very real possibility.
And if you then have a teammate that can't even follow you, and in the race can't compete with both LEC and RUS, let alone Max...I can understand how PIA feels. I'm sure Webber warned him about just this.
And NOR whining on the radio in the sprint race......uhhh when are we going to do the thing we agreed upon prior the race?!?
I said it before that McLaren calls it 'doing it for the team', but in the WCC it makes no difference if PIA gets 1st and NOR 2nd, it should be called 'doing it for Lando', or doing it for 'the drivers championship'.
Of course Lando thanks him after the race, but I'm sure Webber also got many many thanks.
You hire a guy like Webber as manager because you don't want to be shoved in that 2nd driver role, you don't want to be a Bottas or Barichello.

Today PIA disappointed me because I expected (or hoped) him to be better than RUS and LEC, but he wasn't. That he's better than Lando in chaotic circumstances, we all know that. Lando is only good when everything is going to plan. The opposite of Max, who can make the best of what looks to be the worst situation possible like no other (hint hint...something about the meaning of the Max! factor)

Yeah , I couldn't agree more . As I said It's the MAX-Factor (!)

[///M Power-Belgium]

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[Roman]

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That was Stroll's formation lap in his gravel machine...

so his actions are truely stupid...
So when I watched it during the race, and I suddenly saw STR in the gravel trap, I thought that he crashed again during the formation lap, but now in a different corner.

But he just drove into the gravel
Here's his onboard footage...

It's not that his steering system is failing or so that it's locked in a certain position or so, he actively steers into the gravel!


And this is what Interlagos looks like in that area, and one of the possible routes he could've taken....



What an utter idiot!
Those drive arounds are there specifically for situations like these.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

so his actions are truely stupid...
So when I watched it during the race, and I suddenly saw STR in the gravel trap, I thought that he crashed again during the formation lap, but now in a different corner.

But he just drove into the gravel
Here's his onboard footage...

It's not that his steering system is failing or so that it's locked in a certain position or so, he actively steers into the gravel!


And this is what Interlagos looks like in that area, and one of the possible routes he could've taken....

Attachment 3592470

What an utter idiot!
Those drive arounds are there specifically for situations like this.

Track temperature was higher than Stroll's IQ (!)

[GuidoK]

For sure!

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

You must have me mixed up with somebody else.

Maybe me, but I'm not afraid of anyone here there was no need to tag me.

[AmuroRay]

Lando being medicore garbage like I claimed 4 months ago.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by fs1977

How do we feel about the very, very mild penalties? Swearing results in a bigger penalty than not following the proper procedure and possibly creating a risk for marshalls. I just can't see the logic in that.

Can guarantee if Max aborted a race procedure they'd have issues a penalty while the race was going on let alone wait hours after the end of the race. It's absurd...

[Steeler]

Props to VER this weekend. A champions drive.

[NYG]

The greatest of ALL TIME.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Hamilton is equally a superior driver. But Verstappen is a proper prick. And in Formula 1, that helps.

No he isn't. He's one of the greatest but he's not Verstappen and muh 8 championships doesn't support the argument.

Rain racing is where all the proof is.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by NYG

The greatest of ALL TIME.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by NYG

No he isn't. He's one of the greatest but he's not Verstappen and muh 8 championships doesn't support the argument.

Rain racing is where all the proof is.

I agree. Everything Ham did was all car and the years he didnt have the best car, he had the second best car, and the stats are abysmal and still in a car way more competitive than Max ever had from 2016 through 2021 went nearly 3 full years without a win.

Ham is good, but in the grand scheme of F1, he'd maybe crack top 10 all time whereas Max is top maybe 3 right now.

[Artemis]

Verstappen's penalties over the past 12 months.

2 out of 7 penalty points will expiry in two weeks (Nov 18, 2024).

• Nov 18, 2023 - 2023 Las Vegas GP: forcing Leclerc off the track at Turn 1
  • 5 second time penalty - 2 penalty points - expiry on Nov 18, 2024
  • FIA stewards: Garry Connelly - Loïc Bacquelaine - Derek Warwick - Dennis Dean
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...he%20track.pdf
• June 30, 2024 - 2024 Austrian GP: collision with Norris at Turn 3
  • 10 second time penalty - 2 penalty points - expiry on June 30, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Felix Holter - Matthew Selley - Johnny Herbert - Wilhelm Singer
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...0collision.pdf
• Sep 20, 2024 - 2024 Singapore GP: use of language "the car was f**ked" to describe his car, during the FIA Thursday Driver Press Conference, which is generally considered "coarse, rude" or may "cause offense" and is not considered suitable for broadcast
  • obligation to accomplish some work of public interest - no penalty points
  • FIA stewards: Tim Mayer - Mathieu Remmerie - Johnny Herbert - Paul Ng
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...20Language.pdf
• Oct 27, 2024 - 2024 Mexico City GP: forcing Norris off the track at Turn 4
  • 10 second time penalty - 2 penalty points - expiry on Oct 27, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Tim Mayer - Loïc Bacquelaine - Johnny Herbert - Alfonso Oros Trigueros
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...corrected).pdf
• Oct 27, 2024 - 2024 Mexico City GP: leaving the track and gaining a lasting advantage at Turn 8
  • 10 second time penalty - no penalty points - expiry on Oct 27, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Tim Mayer - Loïc Bacquelaine - Johnny Herbert - Alfonso Oros Trigueros
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...0advantage.pdf
• Nov 2, 2024 - 2024 São Paulo Sprint: 0.63 seconds below the minimum time at VSC End (when the FIA light panels change to green)
  • 5 second time penalty - 1 penalty point - expiry on Nov 2, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Gerd Ennser - Andrew Mallalieu - Johnny Herbert - Luciano Burti
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...fringement.pdf
    (note: the decision mentions inaccurately "Fact: The driver was above the minimum time at VSC End." - should be corrected as "Fact: The driver was below the minimum time at VSC End.")

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Verstappen's penalties over the past 12 months.

2 out of 7 penalty points will expiry in two weeks (Nov 18, 2024).

• Sep 20, 2024 - 2024 Singapore GP: use of language "the car was f**ked" to describe his car, during the FIA Thursday Driver Press Conference, which is generally considered "coarse, rude" or may "cause offense" and is not considered suitable for broadcast
  • obligation to accomplish some work of public interest - no penalty points
  • FIA stewards: Tim Mayer - Mathieu Remmerie - Johnny Herbert - Paul Ng
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...20Language.pdf

"The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 1 (Max Verstappen), team representative and reviewed the audio transcript.
It is the policy of the FIA to ensure that language used in its public forums, such as press conferences, meets generally accepted standards for all audiences and broadcasts. In particular this is true of statements made by participants in the World Championships and thus being role models both inside and outside the sport. This is clear in the regulations of the FIA and has been reinforced through previous cases brought before the Stewards in Formula One, in particular in Las Vegas in 2023.
The Stewards reviewed the transcript of the FIA Thursday Driver Press Conference in Singapore and Max Verstappen, driver of car 1, used language to describe his car at the Event in Azerbaijan which is generally considered “coarse, rude” or may “cause offense” and is not considered suitable for broadcast. This is “Misconduct” as defined in Art 20 of the International Sporting Code, and is a breach of Art 12.2.1.k.
The Stewards noted that the language was not directed at anyone or any group.
When summoned to the Stewards the driver explained that the word used is ordinary in speech as he learned it, English not being his native language. While the Stewards accept that this may be true, it is important for role models to learn to be mindful when speaking in public forums, in particular when not under any particular pressure.
Verstappen apologized for his behaviour.
The Stewards note that significant fines have been levied for language offensive to or directed at specific groups. This is not the case here. But, as this topic has been raised before and is well known by the competitors, the Stewards determined to order a greater penalty than previously and that Verstappen be “obliged to accomplish some work of public interest” (Art. 12.4.1.d of the International Sporting Code), in coordination with the Secretary General for Sport of the FIA."

Comparison: consequences of Leclerc saying "I had one oversteer and then when I recovered from that oversteer, I had an oversteer from the other side and then I was like, 'f**k'" at the FIA Post-Race Drivers' Press Conference after the 2024 Mexico City GP:

• Nov 1, 2024 - 2024 São Paulo GP: use of language "f**k" at the FIA Post-Race Drivers' Press Conference during the 2024 Mexico City Grand Prix - coarse language which is not considered suitable for broadcast
  • €10,000 fine (€5,000 of which is suspended on condition that there is no further breach of a similar nature within the next 12 months) - no penalty points - expiry (suspended €5,000 fine): Nov 1, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Gerd Ennser - Andrew Mallalieu - Johnny Herbert - Luciano Burti
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...20Language.pdf

"The Stewards received a report from the FIA Media Delegate summons and heard from the driver of Car 16 (Charles Leclerc), team representative and reviewed the written transcript.
It is the policy of the FIA to ensure that language used in its public forums, such as press conferences, meets generally accepted standards for all audiences and broadcasts. In particular this is true of statements made by participants in the World Championships and thus being role models both inside and outside the sport. This is clear in the regulations of the FIA and has been reinforced through previous cases brought before the Stewards in FIA Formula One World Championship.
The Stewards reviewed the transcript of the Post-Race Drivers’ Press Conference in Mexico and found that Charles Leclerc, the driver of car 16, used language in response to a somewhat leading question asking him “what did you say to yourself” in relation to the significant moment towards the end of the race when Leclerc was fighting to control the car at the exit of the last corner. In response Leclerc used coarse language being the accurate recollection of what he thought to himself at the time. Leclerc immediately realized his error and apologized.
Such language is not considered suitable for broadcast. This is “Misconduct” as defined in Article 20 of the International Sporting Code, and is a breach of Article 12.2.1.k. The Stewards noted that the language was not directed at anyone or any group and that Leclerc immediately apologised.
During the hearing Leclerc expressed his regret for his momentary lack of judgment and shared that he understood his responsibility as a role model for the sport.
The Stewards considered the mitigation factor that Leclerc was immediately apologetic. The Stewards while noting that the driver’s contrite behavior conclude that a breach has occurred and a penalty is warranted. The Stewards do not consider that this breach reached the same level as the most recent case and as such chose to levy a fine of €10,000 with €5,000 suspended pending no repeat within 12 months."

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Track temperature was higher than Stroll's IQ (!)

I honestly think he took a look at the weather and thought “man, I’m not up for this today, let’s finish this race up” and drove straight into the kitty litter. I mean what other explanation can there be?

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

I honestly think he took a look at the weather and thought “man, I’m not up for this today, let’s finish this race up” and drove straight into the kitty litter. I mean what other explanation can there be?

The other arbitrary explanation...welp there's less than a handful of races left, why not crash all of them